Introduction

Well, it finally happened. This little experiment has branched out beyond my walk-in closet and into a real studio with professional equipment. The 25th episode of The New Professor is special in a number of ways. First, it’s the 25th, which is neat. Second, It’s about an hour long, which is considerably longer than the typical episode. Third, the number of people involved has increased 200%! For the very first episode that involves a discussion slash interview slash guest slash whatever you want to call it, I was fortunate enough to sit down with Angela Gunder and Luis Carrion from the Office of Digital Learning here at the University of Arizona. We talked about what they do, how students, faculty, and staff at the university can get involved and take advantage of what their office provides, talked a bit about online education generally speaking, and some of the other initiatives that cross-over between their worlds and mine.

Here’s the entire conversation, unedited. I hope you enjoy this departure from the typical format.

Content

(Please note that due to the length of this episode and the sheer amount of work it takes to do a proper transcription, what you’ll find below is an automated transcription without attribution. I’m hoping to clean it up and add attribution but something is better than nothing, right? —RS)

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Sibilance

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Sibilance

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Okay, I think I think we’re we’re rolling now.

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How many have you done so far. Well,

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You know, we’re just getting started. We’ve worked with

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Four different people on podcasting projects at this point.

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So this will be our fifth

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Total if I had to count, maybe a dozen different you know actual podcast recordings that we’ve put out so

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I feel like we’re still kind of finding our legs and

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The workflow, but it’s coming along and Ryan This is, you know, a great project. I’m really excited about you.

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being excited about podcasting, so you know it’s it’s great to be working with you and

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You were I was telling Ryan about our new studio that we’re going to have right over here. Just that Jason to this room.

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Where we’re actually going to be intentional about designing the space with acoustics in mind. So we’re going to be putting some acoustic

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Treatments on the wall carpeting, so it’s gonna be a nice space for us to actually record in this is the first time hearing about this. So tell me more about this new space. I’m really well. When can I bring the champagne, because I want to break us the door, but not on the acoustic

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Very

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Well, we just drink it. It’s like the champagne will not be very expensive.

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It’s a space that right now is controlled by Arizona Public Media, but they’re using it just for storage. And it’s a small office space.

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But it’s far enough away from the traffic. This is kind of a high traffic area with students coming in and out. We have the trolley not far from here. And sometimes, you know, they feel compelled to

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blow the horn and ring the bells and everything so it makes it sound glamorous for folks that are not into

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That definitely honks it students that are crossing the wrong time to do you think in San Francisco, it is not

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Right.

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But yeah, we’re excited about the space that’s going to be a nice opportunity for faculty and instructors to come in and really develop some content and this

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Medium. So we’re really excited about that. Is it going to be big enough to do this kind of thing. Yes. And it’s going to be set up so that we just people can just walk in and, you know, push the button and start recording, so it’s gonna be

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A nice plug and play type of a scenario. Very nice. That’s what we like.

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First you plug. Then you play

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So speaking of this kind of thing we should probably say what we’re doing.

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voices were actually goes

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Sometimes when it’s happening.

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So, okay. So welcome to

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Think this will if this goes out next week. It’ll be episode 25 of the new professor

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Well, there’s, there’s a phenomenon. I guess I get my what it’s called but there’s like this, this

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This cliff that podcast go off right about episode 20 yes it’s if you look on like the mid to enjoy your podcast, there’s there’s right about 20 and then they just stopped.

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He would just get busy or they think it was a season one, but it’s actually season done. Yeah.

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So the fact. So when I got the episode 21 I was

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made it past the car now legal

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So the fact that we’re still going strong with 25 I’m excited. So here with me today I have my first podcast where am I actually have guests on your hearing more than just me.

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So instead of trying to do intern there introductions and whatnot. I’m just gonna let them talk and you should be able to guess who’s who.

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Like to start us off. Yeah, I’m Angela under I am the director of instructional design and curriculum development at the Office of Digital Learning at the University of Arizona in the city of Tucson.

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I could go on forever it on Earth.

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And I’m also a co conspirator with Ryan on a couple of really cool projects, including one that we’re doing recently called the squad goals network isn’t if you follow me on Twitter, you will have been punched in the face by the squad working with

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You in the face with with goodness it was okay.

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I wasn’t gonna say goodness. But that’s we’re going to stick to that with community and goodness and love.

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So I’m Lewis carry on and I’m a producer videographer editor here in the Office of Digital Learning

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One of the leads in this great studio space that we have here we have a full production studio where we can do three camera for Canada live switching we have green screen capabilities we

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Take care of a lot of instructors that need to just do on camera presentations. So we have digital whiteboards

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The ability to present powerpoint presentations and we also do a lot of field production. So we do

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What I like to call mini documentaries out in the field where we take in various topics that instructors are interested in exploring and produce documentaries

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About the subject matter and they incorporate that into the curriculum and their courses. We also are wrapping up our audio podcasting capabilities. So we’re doing some field produced

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Podcasts and then also studio based podcasts.

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So we’re here in Tucson Marvel and this is our small office.

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podcasting studio space that we have co opted for the morning. Yes. So I want to, I want to touch on because you said here. Yes. And a lot of my listeners, a lot of this my students are

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A little bit of everywhere. So, you know, I think it’s important to mention that while we are on main campus right now when you do was in

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The library. We were actually yeah the of the library. Great. Yeah, there is a little extension up there. But, you know, we started in in with just a couple of people.

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Was actually one just melody Buckner our fearless leader and from July to December, she hired like a drunken pirate. Those are her words, not mine.

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And Luis was one of our first hires, which I think it’s really compelling because

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A lot of folks think about instructional design as the planning piece and then media is always ancillary it usually

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Comes in maybe a second third iteration, of course, just because there’s not enough time and Melody vendela casino and Melissa veto I’ll said, you know what we’re really

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About storytelling and creating compelling content and doing it in a different way. So they said, We need to get the best

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Yeah, sort of, sort of went from there. But yeah, we we quickly outgrew that that and we’re now spread across campus a little bit. That’s what I’m saying. Because you’re

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Mostly your house or your least your offices are basement of you, it is now. Yes. Computer Services Center, whatever it’s called. Yes, we are. We are in

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A box of awesome.

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too loud for

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That was kind of a funny joke at the loudest people at the UA who are have a penchant for curse words and put them in. Then quiet.

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What should purported to be the quietest place on campus, though cuz Sixth Floor. It was a fiscal quiet floor it. There is no Sixth Floor. They should build one and then and then give the pool on the roof to post on there.

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Oh man, what we would have done the courses, we would have built from the pool on the roof. I would have been in there, a lot more often. Yeah. But no, it was, it was a

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Actually a space thing. We have over 30 people now on our team, which is mind blowing. But we since 2014 have

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Built or redesigned almost 800 courses undergraduate, graduate non credit and credit. Wow. Yeah. I guess that would part of they explain why every time I come and see you. I’m like, am I in the right place.

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To say that every morning when

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It’s just faces, then I’m completely unfamiliar with. And I’m like, did they move again.

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Just didn’t tell me. We had an office party Christmas party actually was last year’s Christmas party and

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My husband as most of the people on the team. So we’re in the car and he’s doing the debrief and I think everybody does that sort of with their partners or

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With their family when they go to some sort of work scenario and was like, who do I know here and I’m like, oh, you know, everybody thinking it’s like the same as as all other years we walked into the, the place for the party. And I was like, I don’t know, somebody

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That are in here. It was really, really funny. But yeah, we’re just so honored to have the ability to grow the way that we’ve grown and

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It’s kind of a weird combination of both velocity, but also constantly looking at the the benchmark that we’ve set for quality qualities or word that’s kind of

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tossed around the whole lot, but we just think about

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If we were students in these classes. What are the learning experiences that we would want to create and, more importantly, let’s talk to our students and find out the learning experiences that they want to be within

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And then using that as the focus and never really straying from that and that’s so difficult to do.

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Especially in this time of just, you know, having to do more with less. And everybody has metrics that they want to meet but

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We’ve stayed true to that and I’m super proud that we have. It doesn’t mean that we don’t have a couple of black eyes from some of the tougher things that we’ve had to do, but

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videography, and I would just say interactive media in general. So all of the things that Luis’s shop.

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Is producing that’s a huge part of that. And we’ve had great leadership that said, hey, we want to make sure that we invest in us and do it the right way and I can, I can vouch for that. Having seen an received. I think some of the things that you’ve done.

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There are some

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Videos that has had been coming out of your shop recently.

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Like for the cyber operations program. I think you guys have done one. Yes, well you know my approach with working with faculty. And this is really unexciting part of what we do is opening up

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The

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Storytelling opportunities for instructors and you know when a lot of the times that way we work is will have an instructor come in and we show them examples of what we can do.

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And talk to them about the workflow and the process of going out and shooting videos and I can see in their eyes when that

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When that idea finally takes hold, and they start to think about the possibilities within their own courses.

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And to me, I mean, that’s one of the most exciting parts because you can see their excitement and they they instantly start to think about

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Ideas of taking the classroom outside of the physical classroom and taking their subject matter out into the field and interviewing experts subject matter experts.

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One way that I like to

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Explain that is to talk to the instructors about the possibility of a virtual field trip so many instructors. No, it’s like, Okay, you get the class coordinated and you go out into the field and you take a field trip right where you meet people out

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At a museum or factory or whatever it may be, but taking the camera out into the field interviewing people and coming back and putting together a mini documentary that will live for a long period of time within their online course.

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Is very exciting thing for them. And many people don’t give themselves the opportunity to think about that ahead of time so it’s up to us to explain to them what the possibilities are. And thankfully, now we have enough

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Examples that we can show these to them. So it’s a great opportunity for them to see what we can do and to imagine what can be done within their own course.

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So that’s really one of the exciting parts this job. I love. One of the things that you said about space. I think that the online environment allows us to renegotiate space and the limitations of it and

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How we can extend it, which is part of our larger mission of providing access and some of the coolest things that you’ve done have been providing students with in courses opportunities to see things and do things that even faculty or main campus students wouldn’t be able to do

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And interact with people that they wouldn’t necessarily get to see so like the orbital perspective.

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With Ron Garan you get to talk to you an astronaut and hear his take on not just being an astronaut. But climate change and you know all of the the other

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Tangential pieces related to the science that he’s sharing and then the biosphere to move that was another Coleman to just pray together all of these researchers from

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There from all over the world. And they’re they’re talking about this really cool spot here in

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Here in Tucson, but extending it to larger environment so folks might not necessarily have access to those people in those places and

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The work that Luis’s team actually puts both of those things together and digestible format for students. So

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That I always think that’s super cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and then you know it’s it’s exciting for us as media producers to go out into these environments, one that I’m thinking of right now is for an engineering and mining course. We actually went underground into a mind.

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I don’t know how you did that team. By the way, with like a camera spatially how that worked up and it’s the type of thing that

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Might be difficult to pull off with a face to face class because getting a whole group of a whole classroom of students down into this mind might be difficult, but it’s trying to take your

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Mind, we saw how that work last

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One another.

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But, you know, we can go down there and produce a nice documentary that gives students an idea of what it is to be in an underground mine.

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And, you know, talk to the experts and see how they set up explosives, a variety of things. So, you know, things like that for me are very gratifying in terms of bringing it to a video format that can be shared with a variety of students.

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You know, across the world really, you know, I mean, there are there are students that

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take classes from all parts of the country, and even the world. We did work with one instructor

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Actually a few but astronomy instructor and I got to sit in his office when he was bringing up a dashboard that showed

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The scope of his enrollment and there are literally students from around the world that are taking the class asynchronously. So it’s, you know, it’s just amazing to see the reach of the sort of medium. Now I’ve had students that were actually active military

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London complete opposite side of the world, which made for an interesting the office hours.

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You learn to be flexible with that. Yeah, we see that with

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Some of the experiences that we have where students come in and they have the usual bit of anxiety with the new learning environment new instructor and the cases that I love that we hear about our hey I’m on a ship.

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sailing around the country and I only have access to satellite internet at these particular times dispatch okay for me to to

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To turn in assignments. This way to take test this way, like, yeah, sure, we, we want you here, and we’ll, we’ll figure out the

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make it possible for you to be in the classroom. So that’s super cool and plus you know our faculty love our students because they are all over the world and they have

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Really great life experience. It’s not that horrible, you know, discussion board moderation, where you’re like, if I hear the same regurgitation.

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Of the same the same post. I’m just going to lose it, and

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Now you get really rich stories from folks. It’s like, Wait, what, what did you use to do. He used to be a pirate, that’s, that’s one of the things I’ve started doing in my classes just dumb.

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You know, used to be the old fashioned here’s 10 questions about yourself or answer then everybody has the same 10 questions and you put a post on wherever and

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It’s, you don’t really learn anything about a student that way, you know, but I started that am use Adobe spark.

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To create videos like introductory videos where they get, you know, pictures from up their

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Selves their families in their trips and they tell their stories and and they’re engaged in the actual process as opposed to feeling like this instructor and these students don’t care about

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The same post especially like those 400 level Costas or even grad classes where you’re moving through a cohort. And it’s like, Okay.

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I’ve heard Ryan’s same intro like for beta. I’ve read it verbatim for every class that we’ve been in together actually like Ryan as a person I know he’s funding this this in right now. Like, I get it, but they

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would never do that. But a spark from you and Adobe spark from your any sort of media like I love when it’s just

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How you can use Adobe spark. If you don’t have an idea of what you want to use. But also if you really like using something else like if you want to make a POW tune like

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Have added and having people submit content that they’ve created. I think it’s just, it’s so integral to the experience and we talked about community online and that is an easy

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Low lift type of thing to to set it up right right from the get go. Yeah, that’s pretty low hanging fruit. But it makes me wonder, because that’s a

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Again, pretty low hanging fruits Parker, which is not to say that it’s because it’s easy, it’s

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Less than lesser now that that the stuff you can produce using that tool is actually pretty impactful sometime. But if a student

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Because I’m always wondering like, I love audio. I love what you do for instructors. But I’m always kind of hazy, I guess maybe fuzzy on

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What kind of support, you can get directly to students, for example. So say student was in one of my classes, there’s, there’s a couple grad classes that we have where we actually do

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You know, Adobe Premiere work. Yeah, and I have them just using

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Public

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Videos that are free to use and whatnot public domain. So they don’t have to worry about him. Shooting anything. It’s not a figure out videography class, you know, it’s, it’s an educational technology class so

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More, more focused on the tool than the actual content production. But let’s say that at some point. One of them was like I actually

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Really love doing this and I want to do more. They like come to you and you know, use your tools and get advice, and yes, a big part of what we do is to try and empower educators and students as well. And certainly if there’s a course that requires

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A certain level of understanding of technology from the students, you know, we are open to have students come in and actually work with us. We’re all about, you know, teaching people how to fish as opposed to giving them a fish right so

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We have also an incredible resource with Brian pointer, who is our Adobe Ambassador Lebron Lebron yeah you know a great resource you know he’s always very welcoming and students and instructors can contact him directly and they get some guidance on how to use all of the Adobe products.

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And, but, you know, absolutely. You know, we can actually work with students and if it’s also putting together a video that is a short tutorial on the expectations that you might have a beer students in the course. That’s something that we can work with you as well.

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Yeah. So, all right.

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Plus one to everything we said, especially brand point A, who, in addition to doing sort of informal things where students can contact him. He actually holds office hours.

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On campus. He holds virtual office hours for students that can’t come to campus and he does formalized trainings, but in addition to that, we have our instructional technology team and they support students

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Any, any University of Arizona student, whether they’re part of Arizona online or if their main campus student they they teach all sorts of different types of instructional technology and

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And different tech tools that we support. So we’ve got a lot of cool people. I think that’s just that should be the pieces. We have people

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You can work with them and to make cool and we were talking about that earlier that there

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Are so many new people. Yeah. Are all amazing. Yeah, I can’t, I can’t think of one person that I’ve met. They know do, but I bet is are they the right fit.

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Everybody is amazing. So it was a lot of that was melody Buckner just setting the stage and then I’ve taken the helm for the for round two. And I’m sure can. I called myself, the director of enrollment and admissions.

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Officer digital learning lots of lots of interview committees.

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That the one cool thing that we’ve been able to do is talking about our culture and talk about our vision and find people that are really passionate about that too. I think you’ve all been in that spot where

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We’ve just said, you know, we’re Where’s my postie that is dedicated to the same things that I am and also really frustrated by the same things too.

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And we’ve tried to seek out people that that

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Are just like, yeah, I’m all in on this. I have the skills to build. I have the skills to work with faculty really closely, but also

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I am super passionate about making an impact for students in these specific ways. That’s the trick because we’re all passionate about helping our students, but

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Finding people that are are wanting to do it and in specific ways that our offices aligned to actually do

00:23:07.710 –> 00:23:13.860
That’s awesome. So we go to bed every night. We’re like, yeah, I’m exhausted but also I feel like I’ve actually

00:23:14.280 –> 00:23:22.980
I’ve actually done some done some good in the world. So, and specifics are really important. Like, I’m thinking about, you know, like movies like you said that

00:23:23.910 –> 00:23:32.070
We can do these things for you because I think there’s a lot of faculty out there that think, oh, you know, I would love to make my course more interactive and get more rich media in there.

00:23:32.580 –> 00:23:39.300
And they here if we can help you make me make media for that, but that is just so general, you think, yes, I would like to do that what

00:23:40.440 –> 00:23:49.890
I don’t know. You know, like, like they don’t have the time, they just another their off their feet. To begin with, or I’ve been doing it this way for a really long time.

00:23:50.760 –> 00:23:59.190
Or at least is works and it works, quote unquote, not that I’m not open to doing something else. But it’s sunken cost effective. I know how to do this.

00:23:59.550 –> 00:24:09.000
I don’t necessarily have the time to learn how to do something else unless it’s going to be truly impactful to students and then people are willing to give it a shot and

00:24:10.050 –> 00:24:17.910
I think that’s the best part of having a consultation with folks like when faculty come in and it’s just people in the studio showing examples and saying,

00:24:18.300 –> 00:24:34.140
This is what’s possible, but also what would you do if you had unlimited support to do things. Let’s, let’s just enter into this. How might we scenario. And we might envision something that has literally never been done before, not only had a studio but ever

00:24:35.430 –> 00:24:48.150
But you have the freedom to try it because you have all of this support under you. It’s a really, really big, big safety net and you have people that have been doing this for forever and ever and ever. And I’ve won a bunch of awards direct contrast

00:24:51.720 –> 00:25:01.620
To me, what’s interesting is that, you know, it’s difficult for instructors to really envision what can be done when they come to us and, you know, I mean, we need to

00:25:02.160 –> 00:25:13.800
also acknowledge that people are overworked, you know, they have busy schedules. So it’s very, it’s also kind of a barrier to imagine doing extra work for this online class, you know, people want to just kind of repurpose what they’re doing.

00:25:14.160 –> 00:25:19.920
In a face to face environment Halo Reach. Can I just put a camera in the back of my classroom.

00:25:21.090 –> 00:25:25.530
Which is dimly lit, but also on one side, it’s brightly lit and

00:25:26.730 –> 00:25:30.720
Luis. I’ve got some transparencies that I’d like to turn it into Powerpoint.

00:25:31.890 –> 00:25:40.650
That classic why people are constantly saying, well, you know, I’m teaching this face to face, and we just recorded the video of me in front of the class and and put that up online and

00:25:41.190 –> 00:25:52.170
You know, that’s really not considered best practices. The end result is not going to be as dynamic as we can make it if we’re being more intentional about producing that media for the online or Dallas it

00:25:53.250 –> 00:26:00.090
So, part of that is, you know, getting instructors on board with maybe a few extra steps that they need to take to do this right

00:26:01.170 –> 00:26:01.860
But if we

00:26:03.150 –> 00:26:13.230
Let them know how much better it’s going to be if they just take a moment to to to be intentional about it usually pays off. And people very quickly get on board.

00:26:14.880 –> 00:26:23.250
But you know, it’s interesting you know here talking with you, Ryan, a big part of what we do is answer questions about what we are able to do

00:26:23.865 –> 00:26:36.810
And a lot of instructors come to us really not knowing what we’re able to do and you know they have questions like, well, how much is this going to cost and, you know, really, you’re able to work with me is my department able to come to you.

00:26:37.920 –> 00:26:48.030
So a lot of what we do is educational telling our story telling people about our culture, our mission. Our objectives.

00:26:49.590 –> 00:27:01.950
But I think there’s a lot of a lot of demystified demystification that needs to happen with instructors because people really come to us, not knowing what it is that we’re capable of doing or what they can ask of us so

00:27:02.520 –> 00:27:09.030
So I’m really glad that we’re having this conversation and hopefully this reaches people and gets people excited about working with us and

00:27:09.660 –> 00:27:16.860
No, or, you know, working in the similar fashion wherever they may be, and that’s one thing. And I was told I tell everybody at the you

00:27:17.610 –> 00:27:28.200
Students and faculty, staff, I’m like, if you’re asking to you’re being asked to pay for something, you’re probably looking in the wrong spot. Yeah. Because chances are you can get it for free and you can get a better than what you were going to get

00:27:28.980 –> 00:27:42.090
Paid for yeah i think that that may be speaks to the larger issue, and this is at any university that we’re all silos are all super busy. So we don’t have time to talk about what we can do and where we want to partner and

00:27:43.320 –> 00:27:51.780
I think the best thing that we can do as educators is Teller stories because chances are, somebody else’s either trying to figure out something that you’re also figuring out, or maybe they have already

00:27:52.290 –> 00:28:05.040
And if you’re getting that that word out there, you’re probably going to be not only helping somebody else but finding a co conspirator saving yourself a lot of time and frustration and ultimately helping your students.

00:28:06.390 –> 00:28:12.930
Have a better experience. And that’s really what it comes down to, you know, it’s, it’s something I found that sometimes you know you do.

00:28:15.090 –> 00:28:21.840
You have to do a lot more extra work for a little bit more X better experience. But at the end of the day, that’s

00:28:22.860 –> 00:28:23.610
Kind of your job.

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And

00:28:26.130 –> 00:28:37.110
You should, you should be. You should be passionate about that. You should be excited to want to do that. Yeah, and it works, you’re annoyed wording to have you not. Yeah, maybe you’re not doing the right thing. If you’re annoyed that you have to make things better. Yeah.

00:28:38.640 –> 00:28:41.730
Like maybe you’re going the wrong. There’s nothing wrong office, you know, we

00:28:42.300 –> 00:28:49.500
We joke about that sometime. So there’s some parts of instructional design. I think it’s very similar to videography when you’re editing and you’re sort of in the weeds.

00:28:50.460 –> 00:28:57.210
Even teaching to when you’re when you’re putting together a course or when you’re figuring out you know how all of these pieces going to are going to fit together.

00:28:57.570 –> 00:29:11.880
You can either see it as a chore, or as a puzzle to be solved. And we really look for people that are engaged and excited by puzzles to the, to the point that you would actually you have a puzzle table really just you literally have a puzzle.

00:29:13.530 –> 00:29:26.370
figurative puzzle solver. Yeah, so part of Office culture is definitely thinking about what life work connections mean. So, the ones that people come to do for our hey

00:29:26.850 –> 00:29:35.340
We recognize that you’re working online. So if you need to work wherever you can. You can do that with, you know, with a couple of parameters like if Luis is doing something in the studio, obviously.

00:29:35.880 –> 00:29:46.860
That’s a, that’s a fixed space. But we’re really flexible about how that works. But also, hey, for the time that you’re in the office, we realized that you’re not a robot. And you might need to

00:29:48.270 –> 00:29:55.860
Just laugh a little bit or just relax look at something different than what you’re looking at. So there’s a lot of

00:29:56.670 –> 00:30:00.510
shenanigans that happen within the office when Luis and I were

00:30:01.350 –> 00:30:11.100
We used to be cube mates. We were like, right around the corner from each other. I remember one of my favorite exchanges that we had actually there were there were many, many, but two of my favorites were

00:30:11.700 –> 00:30:29.850
What all of the weird emojis meant that we’re definitely from Japan or from Southeast Asia. So we went down this whole rabbit hole of a mo G history. And I think it was like the combination of emojis because we were using the Kermit the Frog drinking tea me

00:30:32.400 –> 00:30:43.290
That was a lot of things that we were doing in those formative years so Luis introduced me and I think it was your daughter that introduced you to it of just frog emoji like green tea cup emotion.

00:30:44.730 –> 00:31:00.540
That became a big deal. But my other favorite hands down was when I came in and I told everybody that I was obsessed with Drake’s Hotline Bling video. And that was, at least I was at a month maybes Elisa month worth of material.

00:31:04.110 –> 00:31:12.060
You introduced me to the, I guess it was the video of all of the best Hotline Bling memes and there was like the one of Drake like on the we

00:31:12.390 –> 00:31:18.630
And there was the month of him like throwing pepperoni slices on a pizza. I mean, it was, it was good. Right.

00:31:19.080 –> 00:31:28.560
Yeah, and you know, a lot of that to came from my daughter, because they’re kind of plugged into the online environment. So I take a lot of my cues from them and its

00:31:29.100 –> 00:31:41.100
Really been a learning opportunity for me because I don’t have to spend the time actually delving into online cultures much because I can just kind of check in with them periodically curators that live in any

00:31:43.470 –> 00:31:52.080
Kind of clue me in and you know it’s the type of thing that as a parent i can i can get frustrated by but I also see that it’s such a part of the world.

00:31:52.470 –> 00:32:07.740
That I really take the time to try and understand it and interact with them with a critical eye. But also just acknowledging that it’s you know it’s a it’s a new paradigm that these young people are growing up and these young people and

00:32:09.660 –> 00:32:27.180
You know, for me it’s just important to kind of try and understand it because it’s moving so quickly. You know, we’re all busy with our own lives, that it’s easy to just kind of dismissed as something that’s, you know, just a fad or trend, whatever. But for me it’s been really important to

00:32:28.350 –> 00:32:32.790
Keep up to date with that and then also talk about it at work because yeah what we do in

00:32:34.080 –> 00:32:45.810
You know, in a certain way. So that’s kind of interesting for me it’s hilarious tier. You know when you’re dealing a lot with folks that are all over the country and Ryan, I know you’re in the same boat, where a lot of your co conspirators are

00:32:46.440 –> 00:32:52.140
You know, literally, in other states that other institutions and you might see them in real life.

00:32:52.590 –> 00:33:05.250
And I use that once or twice a year. Yeah, breathing the same air maybe once a year, then been scratching good friend of mine from grad school that just happened to be out here as well. And I began working with randomly can’t be too far from you.

00:33:06.900 –> 00:33:09.780
Is for you guys knew each other. Yeah.

00:33:11.040 –> 00:33:16.890
You get used to a meeting with people online and kind of seeing their space recognizing the space that they

00:33:18.060 –> 00:33:28.980
Work with in and hearing their dog barking in the background or their kids all of those things built built the color of your relationship. And I think that

00:33:29.790 –> 00:33:36.690
For us within do whether its face to face, whether it’s online, because we do a lot of resume online and

00:33:37.020 –> 00:33:45.420
We see everybody’s houses. Are there other home offices and things like that, or even now that we’re spread across campus, you know, we will actually have huge team meetings.

00:33:45.720 –> 00:33:51.000
That are half on zoom. Even though all of us are physically located on campus. So we get used to these spaces and we get used to this.

00:33:52.410 –> 00:34:04.890
Just a weirdness that happens in people’s lives. And I think that’s so fantastic in terms of team building because you can leave a job after how many years and then you think about all of that good stuff of, oh, you know, we

00:34:05.850 –> 00:34:19.500
Ended up having this crazy idea to learn twine together and actually Jon Stewart and Keegan long Wheeler were the ones that got me into learning about twine. I think they get everybody ended learning and I’ve used it like

00:34:20.580 –> 00:34:30.930
Everything that you should probably pay attention to you right now and work into your work into your interior. I just saw a tweet this morning from john and I was like, Oh man, that gives me an idea.

00:34:32.550 –> 00:34:33.360
That’s so dangerous.

00:34:34.560 –> 00:34:36.510
Very dangerous. He loves that ever. Sure.

00:34:37.770 –> 00:34:43.530
He’s just like, you know, planning, these landmines all over of goodness so landmines of goodness

00:34:45.930 –> 00:35:00.120
So they they got us into twine me first and then my team but us learning twine ended up being an exercise and making a game about how ridiculous. I am and the all there are all of these into this game have an end.

00:35:01.320 –> 00:35:07.680
Just goes on. There’s endings. They’re all bad that one of them is good. There’s, there’s a good ending

00:35:09.090 –> 00:35:12.780
You know, more to come. Folks on that. I don’t want to waste, waste your time.

00:35:14.130 –> 00:35:19.200
When you could just play the game and and be rewarded by check the show notes for links.

00:35:21.360 –> 00:35:33.930
But the fun thing about it was that we crowd sourced all of the dialogue and the game from ridiculous things that were said in the office and basically worked in all of the members of the team in different ways and

00:35:34.470 –> 00:35:48.180
Chris these strange, who’s one of our newer IDS she didn’t have all of that ordeal history. So she was actually a historian that collected it and wrote most of the narrative and the game so it just shows you that

00:35:49.020 –> 00:35:59.550
Office culture. It’s powerful. It’s something that actually drives our work in many ways because if we’re having a good time are willing to persist and

00:36:00.540 –> 00:36:11.550
It opens us up to new collaborations that we might not see otherwise because each of us has. We all have our own networks and if we’re passionate about our networks and we’re passionate about bringing them to our other networks.

00:36:12.150 –> 00:36:20.190
You know, the possibilities are infinite, which is super cool. Maybe you’re going to say that she realized what the hell myself into work. So, you know,

00:36:22.050 –> 00:36:30.960
There’s an ongoing legal issue that we can’t really talk about, well, she’s working on her doctor right now. And she is really excited about being Dr. Strange

00:36:31.230 –> 00:36:45.810
So that should tell you how much these super also how much we love her and how ingratiated we are to hurt and have her Otter, a team. She’s one of us. You gotta get it a little glasses 100% I wanted, I wanted her to have that cape.

00:36:47.040 –> 00:36:49.650
Cape to be around have conversations with that cake.

00:36:53.040 –> 00:36:58.950
So speaking of office culture and community culture generally just in general and

00:37:00.480 –> 00:37:06.600
It’s, it’s something that we’ve talked about many times in some that I focus on and getting students to build

00:37:07.290 –> 00:37:10.740
Communities and code not cohorts, because those are very top down. Yeah.

00:37:11.070 –> 00:37:22.170
You are with these people, whether you like it or not, and it’s yeah arbitrary. It’s by time. Yeah, it’s absolutely arbitrary yes I hey you having to fill out the paperwork. At the same time, yes, you’re going to be stuck together for three years. Great.

00:37:23.760 –> 00:37:31.260
But it makes it easier for us on the admin side. So that’s why you do things right oh absolutely everything in my life is powered by how much Adam and I have to do.

00:37:33.180 –> 00:37:48.870
It made me think of one of the projects that we’re working on that, that maybe you wouldn’t want to promote a little bit squads. So I’m trying to think back, I love origin stories, which is why I’m terrible at actually telling stories because detail is so important to me.

00:37:50.070 –> 00:37:55.140
Present contexts and and then everyone died. Well, my friends are like, you could lead with that and

00:37:56.430 –> 00:38:03.870
Also not been sitting here and listening to you talk about the wallpaper color from before everyone died but tapes of grape Stokes important

00:38:05.220 –> 00:38:11.940
So I’ve met a lot of really incredible people that have changed, not only my

00:38:12.990 –> 00:38:20.580
My personal life, but just my professional life in an incorrect. I’m going to say incredible so many times incredible, incredible kind of Gordon Ramsay amazing. Yes.

00:38:22.050 –> 00:38:23.130
most amazing bucket.

00:38:24.840 –> 00:38:25.410
tend to think of like

00:38:26.730 –> 00:38:27.360
So you can say

00:38:28.410 –> 00:38:36.870
Don’t get bleeped out a die, you know, listen, if you want to bleep thing even that are not curse words that are said that would be fantastic. This is the first episode that

00:38:37.590 –> 00:38:47.700
Necessary since unnecessary censorship. Yeah, I’m down for that. So I’ve met research partners. I’ve met folks that I’ve presented with

00:38:48.900 –> 00:39:00.840
Folks that inform all of my own scholarship and the work that I’m doing through conferences, particularly planning conferences and attending conferences that the online learning Consortium has put on and

00:39:02.520 –> 00:39:10.470
We we collective we and then a small subset of those folks have looked back back and said, hey,

00:39:11.700 –> 00:39:27.120
I think that there’s something here in terms of not necessarily process because networks are loosely coupled but there might be a framework here, at least in best practices that we see within this of acknowledging the fact that you meet amazing people.

00:39:28.470 –> 00:39:35.280
At a cost because it is expensive to go to conferences, both in time and resources but you meet a lot of awesome people

00:39:36.330 –> 00:39:40.650
And it’s not necessarily about a strict presentation that you attend, but it is about

00:39:40.950 –> 00:39:52.590
The dialogue that is generated in those spaces and ideas that inspire you and your work, but then you go back to your, your office and your back in the grind back in your routine.

00:39:52.920 –> 00:40:05.460
You don’t necessarily take the time to say okay, how am I going to make these new ideas actionable. How am I going to scale them and how am I going to bring new people in to continue those ideas so

00:40:06.480 –> 00:40:16.320
We decided to write a little bit collect a little data and then it ultimately turned into a website that serving as a hub for content and

00:40:16.770 –> 00:40:30.870
Squad Goals network was was born. It’s all inclusive, much like the best hash tags political hashtag. I feel like the majority of the things that I do transcribe goals network are saying, hey, this is our brands.

00:40:32.130 –> 00:40:38.910
We have to use it consistently even when I don’t use it consistently early days and branding is important. It is so important.

00:40:40.080 –> 00:40:49.020
We also it’s funny. A week I had a really great conversation with just not and with Kate sancha about branding, because when you name something or when you categorize something

00:40:49.500 –> 00:41:08.040
And get tends to be exclusive whether you want it to be or not because you’re creating a boundary definition and we want this to be, you know, open the umbrella to be huge. And we struggle with in the sense that were people that

00:41:09.120 –> 00:41:16.890
We don’t want people to feel like outsiders and outcasts. All of us have felt like that at some point, like, Am, I part of this club. Can I be part of this club.

00:41:17.340 –> 00:41:26.250
And nine times out of 10 if you’re feeling that the people that have the club. They want you there. You know, there’s that one time out of 10 where people are like, no, we really don’t want you

00:41:26.970 –> 00:41:37.650
And that’s great. I hope that they say that more because those are the folks that you want to avoid and just, you know, move on with your life or the Groucho Marx thing. I would never be part of the club that would have me isn’t exactly

00:41:38.850 –> 00:41:48.030
I mean, that is true and I live much of my life by the Marx Brothers, which is also terrifying. Thank you, Rick, Franklin. My father and for for coding that in my brain, but

00:41:49.680 –> 00:41:54.660
We we discuss how we can create spaces that are inclusive.

00:41:55.590 –> 00:42:06.690
Even though we have to define what our group does, but our missions are what our goals are and then also be really open to the idea that people might pass in and pass out and that’s okay too.

00:42:07.440 –> 00:42:19.380
They don’t necessarily have to persist with the group, but they always have a seat. If they want to be a part of it. So the way that we give people seats with the space is that we syndicate people

00:42:19.890 –> 00:42:39.570
Content if they’re bloggers, we actually allow them to give us a feed and we will promote their posts on our website we promote the work that everybody within our networks are all doing we amplify voices on social media. Right now, again, we’re in our formative, days, weeks, months.

00:42:40.740 –> 00:42:41.250
So we’re

00:42:42.480 –> 00:42:52.740
really passionate about finding people that we have not found before that might say, I don’t really have a group. I don’t really know how to connect to other practitioners within the field.

00:42:53.580 –> 00:43:02.280
I just wanna. I just want to chat. So we’re trying to find those folks and let them know that we have a space for them to do that misfit toys. Toys. I mean, that’s a big island now.

00:43:03.510 –> 00:43:05.190
There’s a lot of time on it, but

00:43:06.480 –> 00:43:13.830
We just want it to be what the, what the group wants it to be to like we have a core of AI don’t know there’s seven of us.

00:43:14.730 –> 00:43:27.810
Yeah, that we’ve dedicated our time not to start a running it and making decisions about it but just saying we recognize that there’s a cost to maintaining a digital space and that takes work and effort, but it’s work that

00:43:28.470 –> 00:43:44.310
Is honorable and we want to do it. So how that’s articulated is site maintenance meetings to find new projects that we should be paying attention to and the coolest part that I’m in right now, which is a monthly social media takeover where one of

00:43:45.480 –> 00:43:49.680
The authors were calling the people that are doing the oversight authors.

00:43:50.790 –> 00:44:01.260
Will take to Twitter and maybe eventually and and who knows what else and run the social media channel. So the squad goals network.

00:44:02.520 –> 00:44:05.010
Account on Twitter is meeting right now.

00:44:06.045 –> 00:44:09.090
I think Taylor Kendall said what undercover Angela Gander

00:44:10.260 –> 00:44:14.940
Which I thought was great. So I am undercover angelic under for this month and

00:44:15.990 –> 00:44:16.530
Just trying to

00:44:18.000 –> 00:44:30.540
Focus on bringing people in and I wrote a little post on our site about my intentions for the month I liken it to being overwhelmed by the ocean of resources and people that are out there, but

00:44:31.740 –> 00:44:41.100
Sort of focusing on the tide pools, but the tide pools have, you know, a wealth of information about all the things that are in the ocean. It’s a little microcosm, and if you kind of start there.

00:44:41.400 –> 00:44:44.760
And think about the connections within that typo to the larger ocean.

00:44:45.450 –> 00:44:53.130
It’ll allow you to actually make progress, because if you if you just look at the whole thing. It’s like, well, I can’t even I can’t even begin to dive in.

00:44:53.670 –> 00:45:05.790
So that’s my my intention for the month, my focus for the month and then I’m going to write a reflection, at the end of it, talking about all the things that I learned I want to collect some data which Ryan, you’ve been super helpful.

00:45:06.840 –> 00:45:14.970
In teaching me all the things that can be done with data that I haven’t really done too much with particularly with our and on all of the the

00:45:15.450 –> 00:45:20.580
The coding and programming that you’ve been doing within that space. So I’m excited to see what sort of

00:45:21.570 –> 00:45:32.550
Maps constellations whenever titles to ocean diagrams and we can make at the end of this month to tell the story of what it was like to, um, to get this going. So, yeah.

00:45:33.150 –> 00:45:45.660
And there’s a wealth of data out there that we can pull from especially Twitter. Yeah. If you don’t, it’s just because it’s just raw, it’s just sitting there and we just got to pull it in, we do and then tell the stories around it.

00:45:47.070 –> 00:45:50.430
I’m particularly interested in seeing

00:45:50.880 –> 00:46:02.070
All of the people that are like second level connections to me that I don’t know about right now. So that would be something that I would be interested in getting right away. And I think that there are some easy ways that I can do that, but

00:46:02.460 –> 00:46:10.200
Of the folks that I consider to be my core folks that I go to. When I have a question, who were their core folks that they’re going to you when they have a question.

00:46:10.770 –> 00:46:21.900
So if I can get that second level kind of mapped out a little bit. This month, and at least see it for some of the other folks to it. That would be an epic win as far as I’m concerned, I made degrees of angelic under

00:46:23.040 –> 00:46:23.910
Never about Angela.

00:46:25.950 –> 00:46:27.660
Just like the black hole.

00:46:29.370 –> 00:46:34.620
In the sense that you pull everyone in towards you can come together. I really regretted that metaphor.

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That time stops as we get near

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That might be true.

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So if people wanted to get involved, how actually and for the sparkles network and Cody, I’ll just kind of wrap things up you know if if people want to get

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Involved, whether it’s on the squad goals side as a content producer we’re being a part of that or with oh dl to talk to you folks about how you can work together and what you can do for them. Yeah.

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So I’ll do that first. There are two ways that you can find us really really effectively one if you’re on Twitter. We’re just you a underscore oh DL.

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And you can hit us up there are creative director Sarah mo. A is helping to run our social media and she’s just an awesome human, which is my highest praise that I give people so

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You can find us there. You can also find us on our website. Oh DL Arizona dot edu and on the people section of that site.

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You’ll see all of our friendly faces and including Luis and myself and contact information for us and just reach out. I mean, whether you’re at the University of Arizona or not, whatever your role is

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We love to just chat about what folks are doing what questions there. They’re asking, and that’s a really good way to to get started and then for squad goals network. It’s just squad goals network com our

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Twitter handle. I will will put in the show notes because it’s squiggles network without any vowels. Yeah. Cuz score goals network as well word is just a little bit to

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Exclude nothing but value. This was an executive decision that I made.

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That’s, that’s what it means to be an author that there’s nobody else to make this decision, so just do it better to ask forgiveness than permission. Yeah, except we won’t even do that now.

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And you can also use the hashtag squabbles network spelled out in its entirety and

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We’re looking for people that are interested in any level of participation. So if you just want to chat with us. That’s great. If you have a blog or a podcast that you want to syndicate on our site that’s great to

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One of the easiest ways to get involved and one that we’re going to be publishing a White Paper on very soon is

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On the stories that we’re collecting about the power of personal learning networks. So if you’ve been aided by a core of people in whatever capacity within higher education digital learning

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We have some prompts there on the site you can answer those questions as long or as short as you’d like. About how you’ve been impacted

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And what that’s done for students including if you are a student what that’s done for you so

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That’s on the squirrels network website you can you can share one of your stories with us and should emphasize that, that this is not just for

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People in the field, right, this is something it doesn’t matter what level what profession. What you know students, faculty, staff, where are you outside of higher education entire lifecycle does not matter. We want you to tell your story and

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We truly believe that were strengthened by talking about the folks that help us out and

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A little bit of reflection on who those people are and what that actually means. So that storytelling piece. The elevating voices pieces important and

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We neglect folks that are early in their careers, we neglect folks that are grad students that are, you know, wearing multiple hats.

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We neglect undergrads to that are just coming in and they’re like, I don’t necessarily know what I’m going to be doing for the rest of my life. That’s good. You should not know I still don’t know.

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I don’t know what I’m doing. The rest of my life.

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But all of that is really important. And the one thread that we found to be true is that our connections between us need to talk about them. We just share them and we’re better for it. We’re better together as one thing i a little plug for myself here. It’s my show and

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Actually I teach a class of all freshmen every spring for the Honors College and it’s pretty much, it’s, it’s something you can do.

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I don’t, I don’t know what faculty can do it, but I was offered the opportunity and

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I get to pick whatever and I’m doing like cyborgs and transhumanism yeah all kinds of fun stuff. Yeah, it’s really, it’s great.

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But it’s, that’s one of the things that I really love about teaching first year students is that they don’t know, they, you gotta pick a major when you apply crazy. I’m assuming you do I just been 20 some years when Tony. I did that.

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And be it’s crazy. And I think it’s it’s foolish to while I’m going to make some enemies here. I think it’s foolish to presuppose that anybody would know what they would, they would be interested in and be good at.

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When they’re 1718 years old and have not sampled everything on the buffet. Absolutely.

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I was a traditional students or high school into college and I wanted to be an English teacher. Yeah. And then I went to my masters and studied religion. Yeah. Now I’m teaching about cyborgs links, but also know you’re probably partially an English teacher still yeah

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It’s funny.

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Because I really, really picky about API. Yeah, good, good on you.

00:51:53.670 –> 00:51:59.670
So, Luis. Is there anything that you want to throw out there about the media production lab. Before we wrap this up well.

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You know, I just encourage people to seek us out the information that Angela gave is a great way to contact us.

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But I encourage people that are teaching our mind to really look at the potential of media within their courses and storytelling, you know that ultimately is what we’re about is trying to tell the stories.

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Of the instructor and have subject matter. So I think the the power of storytelling within education is sometimes overlooked when

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People just kind of get stuck in a rut. And this is the way we do it and it’s just very didactic

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But I think there’s a lot of potential in media production and the role that media places in online education is very exciting to me. And I think when instructors finally get it, it can be exciting and energizing for for the teaching process.

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And I know that students, you know, when they see that the instructor is this doing something like that.

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Is encouraging yeah and mix them. Think of this, they really care right about this. It’s not just here’s a paper topic. And here’s an exam and re watch this video in this video, but it’s me talking to you and producing it.

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It’s it changes how they feel, I think, at least I can talk right yeah and it’s much more accessible than people think. You know sometimes people

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Feel like, oh, it’s going to be just a huge production and I don’t have the time for it. But really, you know, our, our department here is designed to make it easy for instructors and really empower them in the storytelling process. So I just encourage people to

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allow themselves to think about the potential of video within their course and media in general and telling stories. That’s a great way to do. Yes. Which reminds me that

00:53:49.860 –> 00:54:06.630
Speaking of telling stories we this November. We will be in Orlando, yes, doing a podcasting presentation yeah workshop technically emergency and express workshop has expressed workshop. We’re going to do it all. But in 45 minutes. Yes, it’s gonna be

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Because of the friction

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So if

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I’m trying to get what I wanted to say about that. Just the fact that we’re going to do that. So we’re actually going to be talking and helping people to learn how not just to tell a story, but to do what we are physically doing right

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Right, putting together the podcast on with the hardware is like getting them to talk to people like least and say, you know, I have this idea

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Do you maybe have the tools because I don’t want to buy $150 microphone for home and that’s right I can build a pop filter, but I really don’t want to have

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My I don’t have a walk in closet that I can use as a studio brother alert Ryan actually uses a closet. Sometimes

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Which is pretty sweet acoustics.

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I was gonna say everything that we talked about on this podcast. I think that there will be some my No, there will be opportunities for them to plumb the depths, a little bit deeper. So the academic podcasting.

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Express workshop will have folks from the University of Central Florida. And then also from Oklahoma State University and the University of Arizona. I apologize if I’m neglecting somebody there might be some corrections in the show notes.

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There’s a lot of us, we’re going to have a squad goals network presentation that Ryan and I will be at with Mark Shah Nelson Jon Stewart and maybe some others that are part of the

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Group and then for the storytelling piece there is a pre conference workshop on Tuesday that Jon Stewart Kathy Russell from University of Arizona.

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Michael torrents from Tennessee and he’s he’s in charge of the entire state of Tennessee. Now, as far as I’m concerned.

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You kind of hit that’s, by the way, he’s also on the board of directors and a couple of us will be doing on mono myth online. So the idea of establishing students as Epicurus in their courses and courses and a big part of that is is just the storytelling aspect too so

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There’s a bevy of resources available to you in the form of presentations. But beyond that, I would say that. Also, literally, talk to us about what you’ve got going on and we’ll be able to help in November in Orlando.

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Physically in that space. But aside from that, you can always just contact any of us really at any time. And, you know, speaking. Just one final thing before we wrap this up.

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Speaking of the personal learning networks, you know, I actually said something about, you know, some people don’t even know they don’t have a group and they don’t necessarily even know how to go about finding one, you know, and we are genuinely saying right here.

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Talk to us. You can join. We’re happy to have you can join you, you are you are you are actually already a part of it. You don’t even know.

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Your membership card in the mail.

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Speaking of which, you gotta put down the to do list print membership cards I want badges, this, this really I was I wanted, I wanted to think ahead.

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Luis. Thank you very much for being my inaugural guest. I’ve never done this before. And hopefully it

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Hopefully it works well. So thank you a lot of fun. Thanks.