I'm a big fan of being open and willing to change. * I think you should evolve as time goes on, roll with changes. I'm having a GREAT time talking with people that not only have wonderful information for our community, students in particular, be that "here's a resource" or "here's a path you could take," but who also a story to tell. And I like stories. Speaking of which, I got to sit down with Nikki for first time in a while. And I think there's something for everybody in this episode. If you ever felt like you were presenting a version of yourself to other people that's not really you. If you ever felt out of place, coming into a new environment. Or if you just like apples. But especially for transfer students, there's a lot of info here for you. I should say, bit of a content warning on this one that I should've said in the last episode, there is some discussion of loss. I have this sneaking suspicion that the first three episodes of season 3 equal the length of the entirety of season two. Oh, and we had to switch producers about 3/4 the way through so you'll hear the reality of recording an unscripted, live podcast. So, in keeping with the newly-created tradition of giving you the full, unedited conversation, I present my nearly-hour-long chat with Nikolas Hodge, the director of our Transfer Student Center (now with free printing!). Enjoy. ------------------------------------ 00:00:15.389 --> 00:00:15.900 Shut up. 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:21.150 I was either 00:00:22.500 --> 00:00:35.490 I guess I have this fantasy of doing voiceover work, which is kind of stupid, but I know that's that's would be the best way to make money ever really good, but there's a there's a YouTube channel called 00:00:36.870 --> 00:00:44.910 junkie. Oh, and it's a guy named Mike Delgado, which is a great example of nominative determinism because his last name literally has the word AUDIO Yeah. 00:00:47.310 --> 00:00:48.300 That's awesome. Yeah. 00:00:49.470 --> 00:00:55.320 I've been watching his because I just, I'm doing a home studio in my office because the way I figure it 00:00:56.610 --> 00:01:09.480 My students have to listen to me all the time, right, and they have to see me all the time. So at least I can do is not looking sound horrible, but I think that's a reasonable. Yeah, so I got like a really nice condenser my 00:01:11.430 --> 00:01:15.780 Hands. What a good massage justified. That's how I that's how I explained it to the wife. 00:01:17.340 --> 00:01:24.330 Ryan st be the new name Ryan straight from but listening to his chair. 00:01:26.010 --> 00:01:29.550 On his channel he mentioned that he's like, You need to stay hydrated. 00:01:30.300 --> 00:01:39.690 And has kind of made me it made me realize that it's a little bit backwards because you would think that you don't want your mouth to be overly like that because you hear all those thank you for now. Sounds M word no. I don't like that word. 00:01:40.860 --> 00:01:50.280 But apparently he's like, you know, stay super hydrated, because that's that's a lack of hydration and that makes sense. And I'm like, no professional voiceover actor. If he says that, then 00:01:51.240 --> 00:02:01.170 Yeah, well, and I deeply, deeply adore NPR, which is why I enjoy making fun of them like I joke that a phobia stark and is the only one worth a in terms of their voices. She's always like a failure because 00:02:03.450 --> 00:02:05.100 She's awesome. And then you get Michele Norris. 00:02:09.660 --> 00:02:19.020 So much gross. I should I want to have a job imitating the article that's my one of my favorite stories is when I called NPR and Valentine's Day. And I got hold of. 00:02:20.070 --> 00:02:22.140 Oh my god, I'm totally drawn this blank. He was 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:32.400 I'm totally drawn a blank. But he's a really famous guy and PR and I super had a hardcore crush on him like seven year old guy, by the way. 00:02:32.880 --> 00:02:37.950 And I called in to NPR on Valentine's Day to his show talk of the nation. The nation. 00:02:38.790 --> 00:02:45.180 You're right. It's too early. I this is my first cup of coffee. Anyway, I got to talk. I got a roof, and I got to talk to him. And I'm like, 00:02:45.930 --> 00:02:55.710 I want to do. Oh my god. It came because there was a show about the catharsis of crying and it's my, my dad also died when I was young and I was talking about the catharsis of crying over the loss of my dad, blah, blah. 00:02:56.340 --> 00:03:01.470 But before I got in there. I was like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm getting to talk to you on Valentine's Day. You're my favorite mobile 00:03:03.090 --> 00:03:04.170 And your comment. 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:06.780 Was my 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.420 Your name for the search or the restraining order. 00:03:13.980 --> 00:03:14.850 Mr. Nicholas 00:03:16.890 --> 00:03:25.860 Oh, we'd been we start. Are we started we are great. Speaking of speaking of NPR and Terry, you mentioned, Terry. Terry Gross I Whisper. Whisper pants. Yes. 00:03:26.940 --> 00:03:39.690 I my podcast hero is Mark Mary Yes, and I see my slides glow in the dark Hall Pass. But I found out that when Terry Gross wanted to be interviewed and because Terry is, you know, 00:03:40.200 --> 00:03:54.750 The interviewer, right, she's she is amazing come from a place of love. Exactly. And the only person. She said she wouldn't do it unless MARK MARTIN was the one to interview her so she's. I'm not going to do it. Let's have him and I haven't listened to it yet. 00:03:56.640 --> 00:04:00.030 Oh my god. And do you watch glow and 00:04:02.490 --> 00:04:02.910 And 00:04:03.930 --> 00:04:07.800 Have you watched, it's easy. The series on Netflix. Yeah. 00:04:08.970 --> 00:04:13.950 It's so like I would, don't I always tell people don't watch it without me telling you what episodes to watch 00:04:14.940 --> 00:04:24.060 Because some of them are good, some of them aren't something or a little, like, wow. Um, but yeah it's and he's just, I mean he's married. He's Mark Marin and everything he does. I'm convinced his brilliance. 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:28.920 Literally just being himself. But that's what I love about it and but it's it's 00:04:29.640 --> 00:04:43.980 I was thinking like, I want to emulate him. I don't want to steal it, because I wouldn't be able to. Yeah. You can't do it. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm like, you know, he starts off with talking about the cat drama stuff and he makes himself very vulnerable and I'm like, not like a Marriott 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:52.950 I can talk about the dogs, but it's going to mostly be the fact that chewy john my pants wet but slobber or something. There's really no drama. 00:04:53.640 --> 00:05:00.180 But, well, yeah, that's what I love about him is that he's so he's such a like he's really good at being this hot curmudgeon 00:05:01.140 --> 00:05:12.960 You know, but then like that is beauty and the shows he does, too, is that like when he's vulnerable, you also believe him because he's still curmudgeonly and kind of not likable and his vulnerability, which makes you be like, oh I extra like you know 00:05:13.410 --> 00:05:23.910 Yeah, he's, he does have a talent with. He is the best. And I feel like he kind of just like there wasn't the world. There was a world of know Mark Marin, and then suddenly there was a world with Mark Marin, and everybody was like holy 00:05:26.070 --> 00:05:35.880 Okay, so does encourage maybe that was just me. I was like, who is this guy. Now I need to know everything about him and then I did my night I do my own sort of personal boxing of 00:05:37.020 --> 00:05:47.160 corners of the world do you exist, and I haven't discovered yet and cover all my bases and you did the same thing with him and called him up and I haven't creeped out. Yeah, that's, you know, Conan 00:05:50.490 --> 00:05:52.860 Conan will. Speaking of knowing everything about 00:05:54.030 --> 00:05:58.380 Why don't you actually start. Yeah, well, introduce yourself. Oh god. Okay. 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:12.810 I'm Nicholas Hodge. Yes. Can you stop there. Yes, you can. If I'm Nicholas Hodge, I'm the director of the transfer student center the survey and I've been at the way for 13 years I'm in higher ed junkie, but also apparently popular culture. 00:06:14.130 --> 00:06:17.550 Yeah, I guess that's probably all you need to know from Kansas. 00:06:18.060 --> 00:06:27.900 Well, that's you should lead to very important bury the lead, because I will sort of I sort of the starting point of the scale of how I judge you is are you from the Midwest. 00:06:28.590 --> 00:06:33.870 So you start with 100 points and then I knock points off for various geographic attributes or and other things. 00:06:34.260 --> 00:06:39.900 Ironic for the director of the Transfer Center. It's a really common thing when you meet people from the Midwest, like, oh, 00:06:40.290 --> 00:06:47.880 You're from the Midwest, like where this monolithic existence of humans and we're all hundred percent of, like, except when we start talking about politics and we're like, no, no. That's not my Midwest. 00:06:52.950 --> 00:07:02.850 It's funny because I didn't consider Ohio. I've talked to other friends about this. I didn't consider Ohio. The Midwest until I moved to Massachusetts and then people would self identify as being from Ohio aka Midwestern like 00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:12.390 I mean it's cornfields Kansas. That's not totally the Midwest, but it is middle, so it's more, it's you can't say Mideast 00:07:13.980 --> 00:07:15.150 That would be that would be bad. 00:07:19.050 --> 00:07:22.350 So we, we, our paths have crossed 00:07:23.400 --> 00:07:26.730 In a number of different. Yeah, that's the event. And we kept finding out 00:07:28.260 --> 00:07:28.500 We 00:07:30.210 --> 00:07:39.180 When I first started working at the you it was a you it is not have mentioned it before. Yeah. And that's where we met yet because you're in the training team. Yeah, yeah. The notorious workshops training. 00:07:40.230 --> 00:07:46.440 The third floor. Interesting. At least we kept it loud. Will you guys the one responsible for the don't go alone, take a 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.630 Don't. What was the Han Solo thing with that year was that Patrick. Did you see that it's dangerous to go on. 00:07:52.230 --> 00:07:59.190 Yeah, in a little Han Solo Paula parts like don't go. Don't go solo take a wiki and there was like two buckets, but you could fall 00:07:59.730 --> 00:08:02.460 No, I did, I would put up a bunch of names, though I did like 00:08:02.910 --> 00:08:14.850 Walking in a winter wonderland was Christopher Walken. Nice. Yes, yes, yes. I remember that winter. YEAH, THAT WAS, WELL, I MEAN, PATRICK did it. He was because they all move downstairs. It was a guy that put the desk and elevator that one day two, and then wrote it all day. 00:08:17.010 --> 00:08:22.290 A lot of work done. Yeah, I was gonna say part of me was like this is amusing. The other part is like, do you have meetings. 00:08:23.610 --> 00:08:35.910 meetings all day, meaning incredibly irresponsible, but we have a good sense it. That's why I love. I miss and loved working in it for that reason it is a tapestry of humans is perfect. 00:08:36.390 --> 00:08:48.900 It's a different group of people 100% for sure. And it in higher ed is its own sort of sub genre of wonderfulness because those dudes ladies and dudes could just, you know, be making 00:08:49.470 --> 00:08:57.270 At least twice as much in the public sector. So they're just like, it's funny. It's the I used to talk to my team about this too is that 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:06.060 You know, we sort of always think of the people on campus that are doing good work to, you know, the faculty and even the administrators and us kids and Enrollment Management now that are so 00:09:06.420 --> 00:09:12.720 Obviously here because we're passionate and committed to the students and it's it's it's a lifestyle that has pluses and minuses. 00:09:13.530 --> 00:09:22.050 And the underpinning of that all is our IT people who are just as passionate and just a devoted just further away from the sort of the 00:09:22.530 --> 00:09:34.620 I apologize product, you know, in terms of students. And so it's just like I feel like it's kind of their kind of the silent. I don't know. I don't, I can't find the right metaphor, but you see where I'm going with that. They're the 00:09:38.430 --> 00:09:54.270 Base. Yeah, I mean every piece of the talent, we're doing right now is because of technology and and the fun people that put funny memes on their cube that nobody knows they exist. You know, it's because of them. So I like sort of shining a giant spotlight on them which they love 00:09:56.520 --> 00:10:08.010 Yes, please. More attention. Everybody's doing what they're supposed to be doing on this campus in terms of that, I get that. But at the same time, like that. That is my favorite part, higher ed it. People are my favorite people because they are 00:10:08.340 --> 00:10:15.390 It's that sort of mixed message of, like, they get it. They're part of it. They're here because they are you know absorbed in the culture. 00:10:16.020 --> 00:10:22.470 And it's not necessarily. I don't wanna assigned to them that they're all passionate about the you know path of the student 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:30.570 Not that naive, but you know they're doing it for a reason. So, and usually it's the same reasons of the rest of us that are doing it more just, more publicly 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:41.490 Or Alrighty guys down itself. They actually I can't stop Sarah just told me your words. It wasn't supposed to be Sarah and I was just me. Oh, she 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:51.930 Not for lack of drive. Then I'll take care of it. Oh, the next apparently she's on the road. Yeah, that's apparently that's the baseline for her. 00:10:53.010 --> 00:10:59.670 She said that. Alrighty guys done that the I can't remember if it's their voicemail, or if it's 00:11:00.780 --> 00:11:08.610 Their email signatures or something. But they, they, in an official capacity have the. Have you tried turning it off and on again. Nice thing. Excellent. And it's like branded 00:11:09.750 --> 00:11:17.910 So I went to the other day last week our printer broken that Transfer Center, which we offer free printing and a transfer transfer students check that box. 00:11:19.410 --> 00:11:21.990 And it wasn't working for like a day and a half and I 00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:31.920 didn't mess with it because I had my own. I have my own printer my office, but then I needed something. And so I went to use it and it wasn't working. So I just leaned behind it and I unplugged it and plugged it back in and I fix the printer. 00:11:32.790 --> 00:11:45.690 And all the students were like, wow, and it was. I know it's control, alt, delete reboot. Yeah, like the it should be. It's cannon, you know, put that on a stone tablet in front of a office building control, alt, delete reboot. 00:11:47.280 --> 00:11:55.500 So yeah, I was, I was thinking of anything that like they rubbed off on me as the example that when I was in like I feel like I don't know that I could do this. Now, I probably could. 00:11:55.950 --> 00:12:09.630 But my ringtone. And when I was director at you. It s was the death march or the, you know, Darth Vader's death murky. I knew what together was often because then every time I love all of my campus colleagues, but like is a very stressful job. 00:12:10.680 --> 00:12:18.660 Every time somebody would call me to be like hey you access is broken. It would be like, done, done but Hi Dr. Someone so I'm sorry. 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:21.600 There was, there was no lack of 00:12:23.280 --> 00:12:30.090 I don't know, I feel strange humor. Yeah, exactly. That's it's not gallows humor. Exactly. But yeah, it's 100% turn to her. 00:12:30.750 --> 00:12:41.070 Because you know we're particularly because a lot of us came out of the mosaic project, you know, so we literally spent three years in the trenches with like in a basement. 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:54.360 At one point, all of us together in a room and by all of us, I mean all of the analysts and all of the technology people in a very, very tiny room. My desk was a six foot table. I went from when I got hired here as an admissions counselor. 00:12:55.020 --> 00:13:06.720 They were remodeling Old Main so I was sharing an office in a GIC which are those squat little buildings on I'M GOING TO SAY CHERRY AND Speedway over there. So like we're SSG is 00:13:07.140 --> 00:13:15.960 The building next tech so I shared an office and in that building. And then we moved into these beautiful offices and Old Main like oh 00:13:16.710 --> 00:13:30.900 And I was there for about nine months until as I've changed offices, I counted. I think it's 16 times 13 years. So I went from this beautiful freshly remodeled office afternoon. What's to a card table. 00:13:31.830 --> 00:13:40.440 In the basement of view it is with 30 of my closest friends, which they weren't yet. But after you're hanging out a card tables in the basement you it is 00:13:41.040 --> 00:13:53.610 Sarah and Brett, are decidedly two of my absolute closest friends of all time. And it's because of mosaic project. So that's very similar to what happened in Ohio know I was working in the registrar's office and 00:13:54.810 --> 00:13:55.260 I was a 00:13:56.460 --> 00:14:04.440 Catalog manager. Oh, nice. I was in charge of the entire undergraduate catalog for university of 20,000 people. Yeah, bigger than that Ohio State. Oh, you 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:08.550 got smaller. And when I say 20,000 people, I mean, 00:14:09.780 --> 00:14:12.420 Like the whole thing. Maybe it's not students necessarily Africa. 00:14:14.910 --> 00:14:21.360 I got pulled off that because some something was changing like we were changing quarters two semesters, something's changing with that job was 00:14:22.920 --> 00:14:24.780 I was a lot of fun. Yeah. Oh yeah. 00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:27.750 Brain me and I guess policy. 00:14:28.830 --> 00:14:42.330 Now, it was, it was transfer credits those them. I was a nightmare. Oh, she's Louise. It was horrible, but anyway. But then I got put in this position, because when we were doing that we were going quarters two semesters and we were changing to PeopleSoft from an older si s at the same time. 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:50.220 Awesome. Would you have lots of fun. That's good. And they did the same thing with us, they put like a bug, like a core group of people. Yeah. 00:14:51.270 --> 00:14:59.160 I was a student system testing analyst. That was my next I got to. I got to go in there and try to break it. That was a lot of fun. And then, yeah, yeah, and make 00:15:00.030 --> 00:15:16.710 training materials and stuff, which is what brought me here, but they had us. They took us out of our offices from like they just plucked us from all over campus and through us in a building that was halfway across town. Yep, and was an old la studio. Yep, because it's so cheap basically 00:15:17.880 --> 00:15:26.040 I don't even I can't remember if they put carpet down, but the place had like acoustics like this without the acoustic treatment of secrets. 00:15:27.570 --> 00:15:30.690 Everybody had their headphones on, even to talk to one another, next to each other. 00:15:32.340 --> 00:15:37.620 Yeah. So not much has changed now that I think not one bit and you know there's definitively 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:46.590 Like I seriously doubt anybody's like I don't know just figure it out. There's legit psychology to that I have zero doubt about that, because you know the fusion of that because 00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:55.860 You know i i like to believe, and I think this is true, that they made a very conscious decision because at the time we did the mosaic project. We were in 00:15:56.430 --> 00:16:03.600 We still hadn't gotten rid of the cysts from the last time we got rid of the system. So we were using two different student information systems. 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:15.210 Etc. Etc, etc. The functional offices were incredibly siloed. So to be a student, you had to go from A to B to C to D because nobody could help you because nobody could really see each other stuff in a in a meaningful way. 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:22.350 And so they wanted to just force all of these offices that you know we're communicating on a survival level. 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:29.880 I sort of form these you know relationship so that when they were configuring the system and making decisions for this new system. 00:16:30.180 --> 00:16:38.790 That was legitimately going to get rid of those other ones were for once and for all that we were actually having because you know PeopleSoft as a very waterfall based 00:16:39.570 --> 00:16:49.770 Data structure very. So if you take one thing you can't everybody else's stuff. And so you can't have people in silos. You can't have people territory managing they have to actually talk to each other. 00:16:50.070 --> 00:16:56.760 So shove them in a basement with card tables and potlucks every 32 seconds. And suddenly, they're all fat and happy and 00:16:57.150 --> 00:17:03.720 Talking to each other. I forgot about the pop, oh god non selfish so much not. And the thing is is that we had. It was like 00:17:04.170 --> 00:17:10.440 It was so amazing, because then we would hire these consultants and so then it was really like global potlucks exactly 00:17:11.070 --> 00:17:23.700 everywhere all over the country and all over the world. And it was just not and then the actual implementation consultants had like budget for days. So they keep us constantly stocked in my cheese puffs and 00:17:24.420 --> 00:17:30.540 When they're living out of a hotel room. Oh yeah, because they are put up here and fly home on the weekend. Yeah, and that 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:44.250 And that was we were lucky in admissions, but our consultant to this day is a really good friend of mine to like they just like it was like, That's never gonna happen again. That was a euphoric little thank God, because the project itself was held. 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.200 Anything that big with that many moving parts, and that much pressure. Yeah, because that's like 100 00:17:53.460 --> 00:18:03.840 You might remember like that. The because you're not just dealing with current students yet you're dealing with the students data from the graduated last year and the year before that in the year before that and you're dealing with 00:18:04.320 --> 00:18:13.620 The beginning of time that aren't here yet either. It's like you're having to think of that for like future students and consciously trying to do it in a way that isn't what we we've always done it this way, like 00:18:14.250 --> 00:18:24.210 fighting that battle sort of uphill uphill uphill and sort of really in like sometimes the system just doesn't do that. So you have to think of does this process we actually need, which is a really fun conversation. 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:29.340 And you get to write an integration exactly which is going to break your dynamic data system to like finola 00:18:32.340 --> 00:18:38.520 Vanilla is not a vanilla is a little is a thing like it's a thing at Starbucks. It's just a chemical that everybody's calling vanilla. 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:43.890 So yeah, that's a great metaphor. It's a good race. I stopped counting like Terry Gross. 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.230 More or less, Terry. 00:18:50.550 --> 00:18:51.360 That's a bumper sticker. 00:18:52.740 --> 00:19:00.630 That was one of my other favorite things to come out of the project that I have to this day and I'm totally babbling, is this what we're supposed to be doing is babbling we there is no script. Perfect. 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:15.690 I and it's my favorite part of this is that it has happened organically again. So the running joke among so when I was managing all the analysts for student ministry kind of their little running joke was that I was Leslie Knope like 00:19:17.010 --> 00:19:27.030 I am was like, No. And so my team. They actually had made me because it was during gosh, it would have been the. Where are we at now 20 have to do the math. So was the 2012 elections. 00:19:27.360 --> 00:19:36.750 She made me bumper stickers that said no Podge I started like this for bumper stickers said no pod, but it's got like a little Obama logo in the middle. And it's like the tag on one of them was like 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:43.380 Better than Eagleton Do you watch Parks and Rec. Absolutely. See, I've like my friends make fun of me. 00:19:44.100 --> 00:19:53.940 Like I I hold this show to it. Probably an unrealistic psychological standard like it's my thing that like if I'm having an anxiety attack. I put on Parks work. 00:19:54.360 --> 00:20:03.630 Because my brain. It's really probably aside from maybe like the right amount of Jamison, it's the only time. My brain is like, you know what, I will you enjoy this for 00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:13.320 I'm just gonna, I'm gonna step back and let you just enjoy this. I'm so I'm a little bit of a parks and I'm just convinced it's just a perfectly crafted Season two on, by the way. 00:20:13.950 --> 00:20:18.300 Perfectly crafted show don't bother season. I get that. You gotta Just gotta jump past, but 00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:28.530 So anyway, now in the Transfer Center my student workers. A couple weeks ago were like, Oh my God, you are so Leslie Knope like I hadn't said anything. I didn't my bumper stickers up 00:20:28.830 --> 00:20:37.710 Inside note I think craved waffles for about two weeks and I finally just had some waffles last week. But yeah, and I see it on some levels. I am not a hoarder. I am actually a little 00:20:38.760 --> 00:20:47.070 OCD. But yeah, I can see some parts of it, like is it my favorite episode is when she sleeps for three hours and then she's like, ready to go. 00:20:47.700 --> 00:21:00.780 She actually gets three hours of sleep and then she's like, I have so many ideas. And I'm like, I feel that I definitely like if I can get a solid eight hours. I probably can be running the world by now, and you don't, I don't want to run the world or sleep for eight hours. 00:21:03.090 --> 00:21:04.050 So that's, that's the only thing 00:21:05.250 --> 00:21:16.530 I do love that show. It's been a few years ago, and I think that little of the full thing. Yeah. Oh, what I. Oh, that's cute. I just got done been doing it for like the fourth time 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:23.400 I fly. No. No, you're right. What is wrong with me. 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:34.710 And I think that like the Ron Swanson love is understandable, but I feel like that's the more easy way to go, like he is funny. And he makes me laugh, but I, that's what I love about that show is that I feel that 00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:40.560 Donna is just too strong of a character as Ron as, as Tom as his as his just 00:21:41.100 --> 00:21:46.080 It's a that's like, I think if I actually get into the dynamics of it. Maybe I should be teaching a class on this. 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:54.120 It's the reason why that show works is that it's very rare that you find a show where the the entire cast is just sort of to me. 00:21:54.660 --> 00:22:02.070 Like launched latitude anyway. They're all equally strong like sorry about that. They're all equally strong characters. 00:22:02.370 --> 00:22:06.630 equally strong in the way they're written and equally strong in the way that they're acting 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:15.570 And in terms of the Bechtel test just forget about it. And I think that's the thing I love about it is that it's an even ensemble, where there is many strong 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:24.270 In really lovely and unique ways went female characters as there are males, you know, they may still have already has relationships and love interest and all that stuff, but 00:22:25.290 --> 00:22:29.250 Even the way to handle those narratives. Don't feel sort of reductive 00:22:30.540 --> 00:22:34.860 So there's my breakfast. So there's my TED talk. Thank you for coming to 00:22:36.090 --> 00:22:37.410 The gesture, not the only one. Now, 00:22:39.780 --> 00:22:51.840 Oh, did she say that you will know we were we were I was promoting her TED talk that hadn't come out when we did the recording rather sense. Oh, yeah. Really sorry I was super fixated on your conversation about 00:22:53.400 --> 00:23:01.410 About how your guys's boy this know take a turn up your guys's dad's death, sort of, you know, knock to your narrative. 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:09.360 Arc strand theory here seven strands that jumped you to another strand because that's kind of how we think about it is that I've got my seven Stearns to and 00:23:09.780 --> 00:23:17.220 I'm sort of jumping around with them like a harpsichord. And when my dad died that definitely knocked mine's kind of the inverse that 00:23:17.850 --> 00:23:26.280 It knocked me on to a different strand where I stayed for about 13 or 14 years on some levels to varying degrees. I think I slowly crawled my way out of it. 00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:31.290 And then like when I hit a lady of a certain age when I hit my 40s. 00:23:32.340 --> 00:23:37.740 I don't know what happened. Like I just like immediately woke up and just kind of in a very 00:23:38.340 --> 00:23:47.670 jarring way like jumped back to the strand from 13 years ago and realize that I wasn't, you know, so it's interesting to me that I had this almost delayed effect like my dad's death. 00:23:47.910 --> 00:23:57.720 Scared me and it launched me into sort of being a fearful person and then I have that same experience. Yeah. And when I say like I slowly, like I say that, but like if I look at my sort of 00:23:58.410 --> 00:24:02.490 You know history. I was still taking a lot of big risks, you know, 00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:13.740 I think what it did is it taught me to be scared person who was still willing to take risks, but not without having 15 backup plans. First, you know, I got really flipping good at risk assessment. It's one of my strengths, like in a 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:19.560 Very short amount of time. I can take a look at a situation and decide how much risk. I'm willing to take in that situation and 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.790 You know, what are the how I'm going to knock risk down and then I can move forward. 00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:30.630 And I think that that's what my dad's death taught me. The other thing it taught me is that really terrible things can happen to you and you whether you'd like it or not, you, you keep going. 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.710 Which I think makes me better at taking risks and risk assessment as well. 00:24:35.490 --> 00:24:46.800 But I still like war, the skin of somebody I wasn't out of fear for a long time, you know, you start to prioritize things that aren't actually your priorities. 00:24:47.460 --> 00:25:05.190 And then out of that fear. Yeah, like these sort of superficial nominal things give me this aesthetic sense of safety. You know, I like that that and then I just kind of woke up one day and was like, Um, no. This is not right and I took action. I'm not going to go into 00:25:06.780 --> 00:25:17.010 I do, I do. Yeah, I submit, it's interesting because I was young, I was 27 and you are held 19 you are no was just that was awesome 19 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:26.190 Was it was 18 or 19 as it goes, yeah, so you guys were also super young, you know, I'm lucky that I, at least, I was just, you know, I didn't bother to do the get married, have kids and all that stuff until later. 00:25:26.790 --> 00:25:34.410 So it's kind of arrested development, you know. Yeah. So same. So that's the kind of math, your brain likes to do just to be an is like 00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:49.440 He will never know your children, you will never know your spouse, you will never know this, you will never know that I like. The good news is you can finally get over that it took me a long time, but you can finally you can get over that. Yeah, I recognize that idea of 00:25:50.850 --> 00:25:53.160 You make some decisions because you think that's 00:25:54.450 --> 00:26:02.580 That's how you would like yourself to look to other people. Yes, that's like you'd make decision because that's the ideal version of you that you would like to present. I mean, 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:11.220 If it doesn't make you happy. Yeah, I mean, there's we it's the shadows, I should be doing this and this is as this person that I think I am. 00:26:11.670 --> 00:26:20.010 You know, and I feel like a tangible example of that is like the thing that always freaks me out in this I'm coming back. I'm gonna, I'm going to go away from it. I'll come back, is that 00:26:20.550 --> 00:26:24.720 It's the whole idea of you never really know how you look like when I look in the mirror. 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:34.080 I'm still know that the the reflection. I'm seeing is still my perception of that reflection and I know that sounds funky, but then go take a look at a picture of yourself. 00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:38.370 And when I look at pictures of myself. They don't look anything like the reflection in the mirror. 00:26:38.670 --> 00:26:46.170 Because my brain is adjusting that and making its own thing. And I think that on a grander scale we kind of do that with our personas. 00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:52.170 You know, then it's it's really hard to look at a picture of your persona and see kind of it, you know. 00:26:52.620 --> 00:26:58.560 But also you should, because there's a lot of flipping beauty and who you actually are for good and for bad and it's sort of 00:26:59.010 --> 00:27:05.340 I think the lifetime pursuit is sort of building a bridge between those two things successfully in a way that doesn't make you batty 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:17.730 And being honest with yourself. Yeah, just because there was a certain level of for a certain amount of lying. I think we do non stop ourselves on a daily basis. Some of its survival but yeah non stop. 00:27:18.570 --> 00:27:27.720 Sorry, go ahead. No, you go. I'm just gonna circle back to the dad thing briefly because i think i think you even commented on this. I think the biggest thing that helped with that whole 00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:34.920 You know stuff. You're not because my dad and I were insanely close. I mean, who I am is because of who he was. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:42.150 I mean, I deserve a little credit, I guess you provide to me but like he certainly gave me the foundations. 00:27:43.650 --> 00:27:47.940 And I talked about this on Facebook. So I have my two boys. I'm a nine year old five year old and they're just 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.890 They are their own people in like the most wonderful ways and I see 00:27:53.460 --> 00:28:00.570 Reflection of my relationship and my dad and my relationship with my kids in that like the nicest thing, my dad ever said to me, my whole life was that 00:28:00.810 --> 00:28:08.490 He liked hanging out with me that he's like you know i would i would like you, even if you weren't my daughter. And we used to just hang out, you know, he was a 00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:13.290 Route, man. So we go load his truck and I'd help them loaded books and magazines into his truck and we 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:18.810 Shoot the and solve all the world's problems for three hours and then go home and have dinner, you know, and that's just that was our relationship. 00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:29.070 And I'm starting to have that relationship. Definitely with my nine year old, but it's growing with my five year old and that really caused a light bulb for me that I still have a relationship with my dad, I'm going to get all 00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:37.230 In that when I'm having interactions with my kids immediately forced me into the context of thinking about how 00:28:37.650 --> 00:28:47.340 Oh, that's why my dad said that, or that's what my dad behave that way or I, you know, finding myself saying the things that I say to my kids that he said to me for good and for bad and just sort of realizing that 00:28:47.820 --> 00:29:04.650 I'm developing this deeper understanding of who my dad was as a person and it sucks that it's not, you know, to way right but I still get to continue understanding him, even though he you know he died 15 years ago, which is kind of are longer than that, let's let's pretend it was 15 and 00:29:05.910 --> 00:29:12.150 We love it, like one of my favorite stories is I was, I had really hardcore childhood anxiety. So that's all fixed clearly 00:29:14.010 --> 00:29:22.260 Um, and I had this teddy bear, which has his own story. And my dad to help me with my nighttime anxiety was like, you know, because we weren't religious. So he was like 00:29:22.590 --> 00:29:31.530 Instead of like praying and stuff like that. He would say, talk to the teddy bears name was grog I know you're too young to know DC Comics, but it was too young, you know, DC Comics. 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.620 From DC Comics. I was obsessed with DC Comics as a kid, because I was totally normal. 00:29:38.430 --> 00:29:45.510 And so I named my teddy bear as six years old I named my teddy bear grog and so he would say, talk to Greg and ask, you know, ask God for what you need to feel better. And so I would 00:29:46.080 --> 00:29:54.390 And so flash flash forward my nine year old has really intense childhood anxiety. Luckily, I believe that their face. So we got them into it and it's actually all fixed 00:29:55.290 --> 00:30:06.000 But I also gave him grog and I had the same conversation with them and the actual the actual I still have grown and he sleeps with now that he would love me sharing this with everyone will make sure you 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.630 Keep everyone's 16th birthday. 00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:21.330 And he does the same thing. He talks to God. Every night and it totally works just like it did when I was a kid, I mean, I'm not a psychologist by any stretch of the imagination, but it sounds perfectly reasonable yeah my 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:34.410 Channel that stuff over there. I mean, it's well we won't go into that, but we'll just leave it at there are icons and if you believe in, if you put the right amount of belief into an iconic and make you feel better. Yeah. The end. 00:30:36.210 --> 00:30:37.860 Yes, and that's all we're gonna think 00:30:39.990 --> 00:30:41.940 Oh my god, no. I think that, yeah. 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:49.200 I couldn't tell you the psychology behind it. Yeah, or pathology. If you want to flip it around. Yeah. 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.060 I mean, I'm 00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:58.230 I've probably done that to some extent, there's something. There's, I mean, we all have ritual. Yeah. You know, like the 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:05.910 The whether you're cognizant or not you have things that you do every day that are part of your sort of network of feeling like the world is 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:12.960 Up is up down as down. Here's what I do, you know, there's your morning routine is if you have one is ritual. 00:31:13.620 --> 00:31:24.990 You know, and in the if you stray from it. Whether you realize it or not. Sometimes it can, you know, swing your left to right without realizing it, then this. This recording is eating seriously into my morning routine. 00:31:26.760 --> 00:31:31.470 Which is mainly Europol drink coffee and answer emails until about 10. Oh my gosh. 00:31:32.250 --> 00:31:42.990 So yeah, and I there's definitely there's happiness and safety in ritual. I have my own little things that I do that just sort of, you know, they just feel right and feels comfortable and it's validating to like that whole sort of 00:31:43.530 --> 00:31:50.940 Notion of who we are and that perception of who we think we are, this is who we really are, you know, I think that the ritual can sometimes bridge that for you a little bit too. 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:58.770 Because you're doing the things you're supposed to be doing, but that that ritual is likely developed out of the inherent of who you actually are. And there was 00:32:01.860 --> 00:32:10.770 The author, but somebody wrote a book about the morning routines of famous people throughout history like Kafka are mostly authors and creative types. Yeah. 00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:21.270 So there was like, you know, Franz Kafka, and his not even morning routine just daily schedule. Yeah. And miracle me and all these fantastic authors and 00:32:23.340 --> 00:32:30.990 It made me think, and I think maybe, maybe you think this because I read it in the thing. I don't know. Or maybe I'm just gonna say I'm smart. And it came to me. 00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:39.660 Is this idea that we, at what point does routine become Yep, yep. Cuz I Murakami 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:48.600 Swims when he's writing a book like he gets up at four o'clock in the morning or something and swims for two hours and then writes. Yep. 00:32:49.560 --> 00:32:59.430 And that to me is more than a routine. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's necessary to the process right and then something happens in your brain chemistry and it gets you set in that mood. Exactly. And then you can do the thing. Yep. 00:33:01.560 --> 00:33:06.060 Sunday morning records and coffee is the ritual that makes me be like 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:11.010 You know, we're good. Everything's fine. I see the pictures on Facebook. Parks and Rec. 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:24.900 So yeah, or the, I think one of the rituals for me is camping. So like I have a system for camping that I am you know I'm, I'm the most disorganized organized person you'll ever meet. 00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:33.000 And so I I have like I have my camping ritual of how I sort of pack the things get that ready and how I set up camp. 00:33:33.360 --> 00:33:42.360 And it just like it is mentally. The ritual of setting up the packing packing and then setting up the camp is how I mentally sort of divest myself. 00:33:42.750 --> 00:33:50.730 Of the not Camping World. You know how you're driving there and you're talking and everything's fine and but you're still thinking about will I i did I forget to pay the water bill and 00:33:50.970 --> 00:34:03.420 I'm going to make sure I get a scheduled dentist appointments and blah, blah, blah, and then just the ritual of being forced to organize the way I set up camp and unpack camp makes me focus on that so that by the time I'm done, I'm present 00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:11.460 Present in the camping exactly the word I was thinking of. Yeah, being present. Yeah, so the ritual of unpacking you know helps me do that. 00:34:11.910 --> 00:34:23.310 And it's not just a routine. It is truly a ritual like there's a way that this needs to be done. And anybody who camps with me knows that they kind of stay on my way because they benefit from it because then they end up with like delicious meal when we're in place to sleep. 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:31.560 So yeah, it's, it makes me think of multitasking because they say, you know, there is no such thing as multitasking. Right. It's just doing a whole bunch of stuff portly at the same time. 00:34:32.910 --> 00:34:34.650 It's just your brain. 00:34:35.100 --> 00:34:45.720 Yeah, and I as I get older I definitely owned that like I used to brag about how know I could type and talk to you at the same time, but now as I get older, either. I'm using the capability or just being more honest about the fact that I never had it. 00:34:46.110 --> 00:34:55.170 Yeah look good. And this isn't about priorities. It's not that this is more important, which is I literally cannot do that, let me finish this paragraph. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you read go back and read the email you're set. And you're like, 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:04.650 Oh my god, I'm an idiot. When did this turned into my shopping list that I actually so I applied for my doctorate. Um, and I will find out till December but um 00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:12.120 I you know I labored over the this personal statement for just a stupid amount of time you know where you're just you're staring out too much. 00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:22.440 And so I have my risk assessment, I might behavior when I come to that is usually like most people would just put it away, walk away from it and come back to it. But I have to admit that I have 00:35:22.770 --> 00:35:30.030 An impetuous streak that is a little dangerous. And so my reaction in that moment was, you know what, I'm done with this. It's good enough and sent it off. 00:35:31.050 --> 00:35:39.810 But by the way, I've worked on it for like two months, like it was it was fine and I found like an A, that should have. But I went back afterwards. And I found like an A, that should have been an n 00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:49.530 And the problem with me and then is, but I didn't do a proper risk assessment because I am definitely convinced that will be the reason I don't get into this doctoral program it. I think it'll be fine because there'll be like 00:35:50.370 --> 00:35:55.200 This girl cannot right now. I think we'll see. But actually this. That's funny. It makes me think. 00:35:55.770 --> 00:36:09.930 I do the orientations for the new students. Yeah, I think I went to, for I think in the fall. This ball we drove up to Chandler, are you doing the transfer ones are the South. The South ones. Okay. Yeah. So, so technically yes they are. Yeah, I'll transfer 00:36:11.160 --> 00:36:22.020 But that's one of the things I tell students is similar to that, that when you're writing something like because you're going to do a lot of writing over the next two years, probably more than you've ever done in your life and probably more than you will do after this 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:24.450 When you are writing 00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:32.610 Don't use Word. Yeah, because that's going to give you a false sense of security. Yep, you're going to think, well, it doesn't say that's wrong, so it must be. Right, right. 00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:38.790 It's not how it works. Now if you do have to use Word turn off grammar check turn off spell check in after you're done writing it. 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:52.830 Make a copy of it or something like just or change all the font size change all the font change the margins, change the spacing. Make it look as differently as you can to when you wrote it. 00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:58.320 Because what happens when you're writing is that you kind of, you stop seeing individual words you start seeing chunks. Yeah. 00:36:58.620 --> 00:37:05.610 Yeah, yeah. And you think, well, that's, that's that that's that that and you don't see the details anymore. But once you physically change how it looks. 00:37:06.540 --> 00:37:13.080 You that pattern is go first. I recommend. What's that little test where they like take every other letter out of a sentence, and you can still read the sentence. Yeah. 00:37:13.470 --> 00:37:21.780 Just pattern recognition. My identified addition to that would be to also know your weaknesses, so like I know I'm very bad when I'm writing about, Sir. Sir, 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.410 Superfluous events I use then more than I need to 00:37:25.950 --> 00:37:37.830 So when I'm writing. I'll do a Control F for then and I'll go look and assess every single then in my writing to see if it's unnecessarily one then man. I'm really bad about those words, I'm like my niece was really bad about 00:37:38.430 --> 00:37:44.970 Honestly, like she would start every sentence with honestly so it's like you need to go do a Control effort. Honestly, we believe you. Yeah. 00:37:45.540 --> 00:37:58.140 It doesn't like one of my pet peeves is when people start sentences with in my opinion. Well, Yahoo, like my dad that's the baseline. If it's not your opinion make that distinction, the forwarding number. It's the verbal equivalent of pin number 00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:02.400 The one that I always struggle with. I'm a curmudgeon 00:38:03.540 --> 00:38:04.440 We all are. You have to be 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:12.030 The I struggle with that and which, yeah, I always struggle with that because I feel like, yes, yes, yes. 00:38:12.930 --> 00:38:20.310 Yes, which but it's actually it should be that. Yeah. And I use that. And I think what has to be which but then I remember like there's which uses a comma in front of it and that doesn't 00:38:20.850 --> 00:38:33.120 I think that's cute because I wouldn't even know that. I think that people will get really disappointed when they know me because they assume based on my personality, then I'm somehow highly proficient and grammar. I'm not going to use the grammar inward. 00:38:34.770 --> 00:38:36.390 Not serious has been what I meant by 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:52.470 Really clarify that I'm because I'm not. I'm, I'm, I, that's my sister. She's English Lit major. I was a history major, you know, my professors aren't paying attention to my grandmother paying attention, my content, you know, one so surprisingly bad at grammar. 00:38:53.580 --> 00:38:58.710 And geography. People are also very surprised by that with the history degree that I'm surprisingly accurate. 00:39:00.450 --> 00:39:06.300 But I you know I did get it. I got my degree I got the degree I can be social historian 00:39:09.600 --> 00:39:19.530 Okay, well I'm so just to warn you I don't I don't know where the company goes and I always hesitate on. I had a friend tell me that they could tell how old I was because I would double space after a period 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:39.690 There, did you see maybe, are you on Twitter own ice. I only got a Twitter account to follow Neil Degrassi Tyson and for when I'm at conferences. Okay, well, maybe a month ago, maybe a month ago something fairly recently that higher ed Twitter kind of exploded. 00:39:40.740 --> 00:39:42.120 Because there was an argument about 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:56.940 Is the double space anachronistic, can we get rid of it and half of Twitter's has yeah kill it. Yeah, it doesn't serve the purpose anymore. Yeah, the other half says no, it does serve a purpose you need to keep this 00:39:58.290 --> 00:40:04.800 There are reasons for this, and it was just like the Hatfields and the McCoys. It was amazing to watch 00:40:06.540 --> 00:40:14.910 Watch, watch the reruns better happening not on Twitter happening on BBC Two. You got to get them to I want to watch the devil says, I don't know. 00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:23.190 I'm like, my thing is my my guilty pleasure is Buzzfeed. And so I just rely upon BuzzFeed to tell me the good tweets. I know. 00:40:23.790 --> 00:40:33.150 Like, I'm like, that is that is also my medicine like just you know i'm i'm Queen of the two things I go seek out every Friday or the funny tweets by women and good dog. Oh. 00:40:33.750 --> 00:40:49.800 Look at the to BuzzFeed articles I go find every Friday and I hit my reset button to enjoy the weekend like smart women and dogs. Nice. That's all I need. That's all I that's what I that's that's a good that's a perfect world, it is really yeah so I like the good dog. Oh. 00:40:51.060 --> 00:40:55.080 I have a good. I have a not so good dongo but I can appreciate other people's good dogs. 00:40:55.560 --> 00:41:05.430 You have a cat. Now I have two cats. I saw this happened, I was raised in a household and I took out some great to hate cats. Yeah, to get three eyes and five chickens. Don't forget 00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:14.460 So not not related to the three is not related to the three guys know the chickens had nothing to do, although I have a friend that is terrified of tickets, because she said, though they used to try to poke her eyes out. 00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:20.670 So she's like, don't get chickens. They're really aggressive and I'm like, what, and then I had it didn't try to put my eyes out. But I have a chicken bully. 00:41:21.540 --> 00:41:33.330 Bullying. My favorite chicken. So they might be Thanksgiving dinner. I'm not gonna know I would never tell a joke about Tucson. Something about Tucson. What do you see so many people have chickens for facts here. It's a I mean the 00:41:33.930 --> 00:41:44.880 Chicken. I'm sorry to do it for the eggs I do and I mean I asked will enjoy just it's just a thing. You know, it's just kind of fun to maybe it's my Midwest coming out, not that I was raised on a farm. I was raised in an apartment building. 00:41:46.140 --> 00:41:56.070 But I don't know if I could just the idea of chickens was appealing to me, but also the eggs I it's kind of a sweet thing to, like, you know what, it also I have I have yet another theory. 00:41:57.210 --> 00:42:06.900 We are tactile humans. And so in our modern life. We don't. A lot of us a good bulk of us, especially in higher ed. We don't get to physically produce anything 00:42:07.230 --> 00:42:11.220 Like you produce educated students. Yay. So you kind of have that you can point to 00:42:11.550 --> 00:42:22.830 But on your day to day like you're not making widgets and you're not like growing crops and you're not sort of doing those things that I feel like is still somewhere inherently in our DNA, the need for that. 00:42:23.190 --> 00:42:39.750 To be an individual contributor in some form or fashion. And so I think that we all pursue hobbies, like podcasts and for me chickens and cooking and sewing and stuff like that because it's scratches the itch. So I think chicken scratch the itch of, like, I'm a former 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:49.980 Totally not like for a long time. I had these plants overtaking my garden and I was so excited about all the strawberries are going to have. And then I realized they were to Mateos from the person that used to own my house. 00:42:50.490 --> 00:42:58.530 So I thought I had this giant strawberry patch. And it turns out, I have a giant trauma to patch, which is great if you're looking for time with you and I don't use toma to use the same veracity that I use. 00:42:59.850 --> 00:43:00.480 Are we at a time. 00:43:01.590 --> 00:43:03.690 Just I didn't easily but 00:43:04.890 --> 00:43:08.100 Finish it. I look forward to seeing in the Transfer Center. Yes. 00:43:10.410 --> 00:43:12.090 New little switcheroo in the studio here. 00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:18.570 Speaking of the Transfer Center. Yes, I'm just to bring us just to bring us back. God forbid. 00:43:20.370 --> 00:43:39.090 There's you you told me about a week because I feel like we should plug something we should plug the we should plug this it's only two years old. It's the national speciation for trans. I don't know. I can't remember the name right now because I could, I couldn't even remember Neil Conan 00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:41.850 Which is a measure 00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:53.880 So it's national transfer student week and it's next week and it's just basically a national recognition of transfer students as a whole and universities are encouraged to really do something about it. So, 00:43:54.330 --> 00:43:59.670 Because I am going to transfer center and I am the Director Transfer Center. I felt like I should do. So we're going to do fun things we're doing like 00:44:00.570 --> 00:44:11.280 The thing I'm breaking my arm pat myself on the back for is just a little campaign of famous transfer students, you know, there are these false perceptions about transfer students ad nauseum 00:44:12.540 --> 00:44:18.120 And so I thought, like famous person because the thing that we really struggle with and trying to provide services to transfer students 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:24.030 Is a lot of times after they transfer here. They want to divest themselves of that moniker and be just a student 00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:35.790 And so they want to do things for transfer students, you know, like your student here is junior by now. So he's probably been here for a year and a half or so, and he doesn't think of himself as a transfer student anymore, so he's not going to use our resources. 00:44:37.050 --> 00:44:43.980 And we want to sort of break through that and say no you don't hold on to that moniker because it actually does mean something. Also, you get services. 00:44:44.490 --> 00:44:58.920 free stuff. You can't complain. So like, you're so fun list of famous transfer students. My personal favorite is brock obama. It was a transfer student john f kennedy was a transfer student Kissinger transfer student Margaret Mead transfer student Morgan Freeman. 00:45:00.690 --> 00:45:11.340 The list there is quite the list. But what's interesting to me is that it's hard. I don't know. This could speak to any facet of society, but there's not a ton of females. There's a Martha Stewart Margaret Mead, and 00:45:12.930 --> 00:45:19.440 Oh my god, I'm losing her name to Sarah Palin is probably one of the more famous ones. I wonder what the 00:45:21.870 --> 00:45:29.340 What the reasoning is there's, there's, I mean aside from just just recognized famous moment. Apparently, yeah. I mean, aside from that, I wonder if there's 00:45:30.540 --> 00:45:38.250 Something to that. Yeah. And the thing is is that demographically women have, you know, for the most part, been seeking higher education for 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.660 You know, I mean if you if you in will say in the 20th century. 00:45:43.020 --> 00:45:50.430 The levels of attendance or sometimes even more skewed towards women in higher education. So there should be at least in the 20th century of famous people 00:45:50.730 --> 00:46:01.740 And even in the 19th century, you know, you don't really start getting to this sort of education and equity until well I mean I guess there was some of its don't like the early 20th century, but I you know I 00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:09.000 I'm talking myself out of this anyway. A lot of famous transfer women and that's unfortunate. So a lot of the ones that were highlighting our men. 00:46:09.570 --> 00:46:14.670 Um, but I think it's important to that. And then I very purposely chose the moniker I am a transfer student so like 00:46:14.970 --> 00:46:21.780 john f kennedy is a transfer student. He wasn't a transfer student is a transfer student, you know, hold on to that. Yeah. 00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:28.110 That's good. I like. And I think that what it refresh reflects demographically right now is that they're just smarter, you know, 00:46:28.470 --> 00:46:42.210 I love for your education. Obviously I've worked in higher for 20 years and I think for the right people going when you're 18 or going straight into for you're actually there. There are some people for whom that works really well, or they're really good reasons to do that. 00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:44.520 But I think that 00:46:45.570 --> 00:46:53.760 The rise in transfer students that we're witnessing is just that this generation of students are just economically more smarter than we are. 00:46:54.270 --> 00:47:01.650 And just more interested in or thinking about the long game in terms of those things. And so I think having a transfer monikers 00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:07.710 A sign of merits and impressive, this, that, you know, you sort of made that conscious conscious decision to 00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:14.670 Go fulfill some of your requirements at a cheaper rates, not have to dive into the financial aid pool right away. 00:47:15.270 --> 00:47:22.140 You know, maybe stay close to home dip your toe in the water and make sure this is right for you before you know fully investing in your education. 00:47:22.890 --> 00:47:31.230 That's kind of run and it should be celebrated. It really should. And sorry, okay. The only other thing I would add is that it's the demographics speak to that, like most people assume 00:47:31.950 --> 00:47:44.550 Transfer students are, you know, in their late 20s early 30s, but the like at my Transfer Center. The average age is 25 and that's average. You know, I have lots of 21 year old 20 year olds 21 year olds 22 year olds. 00:47:46.170 --> 00:47:57.090 And that's why the thing bugged me too, because my demographically their evenly split 5050 men, women, like a hot. Like, literally, I think it's 51% 49% male, female, that we're serving in the Transfer Center. 00:47:58.590 --> 00:47:59.580 Which I love that, too. 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:07.260 Makes me think back to my four year because I went to you my undergrad well for everything really but 00:48:08.370 --> 00:48:20.310 If I don't know, maybe it lends itself to why it it seems almost natural to do a transfer, kind of, quote unquote, halfway through, you know, 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:32.340 Was it gets to the end of a as or whatever. And then right to attention bachelor's, but even at the four year institution. I was there all for went dorms two years houses and 00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:42.900 I went straight into grad school, so maybe. Well done. Well, I went summers do. Yeah. And I actually had way more credit hours than I needed but 00:48:43.410 --> 00:48:49.890 I took a lot of extra classes. I took nanotech and quantum mechanics, just because I was interested in it. I'm here, I'm in a fun. Yeah. 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:58.530 But if they're if they don't like a sea change like that I the first years freshman, sophomore feel like one period. Yep. 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:04.110 And then the junior, senior feel like a different period. Yeah, but different experience different classes because you're doing all the 00:49:04.530 --> 00:49:08.850 Gen Ed stuff first and just kind of try and get that liberal liberal arts education down 00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:15.870 Card and then it's going to adults. Yeah, first two years and it's all for me it was all you know education methods courses literature courses and stuff. 00:49:16.560 --> 00:49:28.470 But. So now imagine that you did that, except that you also completely switched into an entirely new culture, a giant one not like anything else that you had previously experienced so 00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:35.220 And you did it successfully. So that's another good reason to celebrate the transfer moniker because that's not an easy thing to do. 00:49:35.550 --> 00:49:43.680 So when you you do make the decision to do that. Talk about taking risk. You know, like students coming from Pima where all their classes are in one building sometimes. Well, actually. 00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:48.600 All five campuses, but very much smaller classes at very much an entirely different culture to just 00:49:49.080 --> 00:49:56.190 Dropped in the middle of this, which is why transfer grad rates nationally or not. Fantastic. And the one thing. Here's my plug. Are you ready 00:49:56.700 --> 00:50:03.960 The one thing that actually aids in that. So the top three things that aid in increased grad rates for transfer students is, of course, how their courses transfer like 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:14.700 If you take him into class as a community college without a long game plan and you end up taking classes, but once you transfer here aren't going to be your those nanos aren't going towards your education degree so good chat fun 00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:26.370 Exactly. For the record, I fully endorse that. By the way, so getting those courses, you know, having a plan if you know you're going to transfer having a plan helps that when you transfer you will graduate 00:50:26.970 --> 00:50:35.340 But the campus identity is actually number two, establishing a campus identity or university identity and that's not wearing your red and blue and 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.820 Being like, yeah, or wearing your transformers. I'm 00:50:39.390 --> 00:50:50.310 You know, I'm going to every football game. It's like that identity of like it's same as the transfer moniker it's that I am a University of Arizona student and all that that means like getting that established quickly. 00:50:50.610 --> 00:50:55.140 Lens to your success because then you care about what you're doing. You're not just trying to, if you just here to get the degree and get out 00:50:55.710 --> 00:51:06.300 You can do it, but you're not going to end up being a successful. And then the third thing is establishing those networks because the only way you find out about the resources we have as much as we try to pump it into you. 00:51:06.930 --> 00:51:12.960 You know, the only way you're really going to find them point in time when you need them is by having a network of humans. They can be like, oh, 00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:18.030 You know, you should talk to about that. So that's what the Transfer Center does because 00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:26.280 In your freshman and sophomore year, as you're also learning about your genetics and sort of learning how to be in a classroom and how to take notes and how to study and how to time management. 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:33.960 You're also getting those networks, you know, and transfer students don't have to start completely over. And so we have to expedite that process as much as we can. 00:51:34.290 --> 00:51:39.720 And so that's why a Transfer Center exists is to sort of be the nucleus, the hub to help students do that. 00:51:40.140 --> 00:51:49.230 I tell my students. The minute you walk in our door you immediately have something in common with every single person in the room where else are you doing that, you know, in the university. I mean, there are other places. I shouldn't say that. 00:51:50.460 --> 00:52:02.760 But not only that, you have this really magical tool that no matter how introverted, you are, you have the sentence, where did you transfer from and then the conversation just goes, yeah, I swear at some point we're gonna end up having a wedding in their 00:52:03.990 --> 00:52:11.250 Students have literally come in and make lifetime friendships there. That's awesome. Yeah. So, and where is it centered again transfer centers in the Student Union. 00:52:11.640 --> 00:52:18.660 Fourth floor. We're open nine to five Monday through Friday and our big. I mean, we do a lot of cool things like programming like Jess, our fellow 00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:24.630 To extends to the Grand Canyon in like a couple weeks ago at a marvel day where we stream Marvel movies all day and had snacks and like 00:52:24.930 --> 00:52:29.820 This weekend, one of our fellows Bruce has taking students to Tucson meet yourself and we're giving them food coupons. 00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:41.670 Are taking them to the pumpkin patch in a couple weeks. You know, so we do programming like that to sort of help those networks, but we also just have stuff in the center like free printing is our biggest draw like I think we might actually get your student based on that. 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:54.390 So if you need something printed getting him to transfer center and we have locker rental and we have coffee and I have a fruit bowl because and it's funny. I was like, I'll do a football, but I'll do apples. So then it's not that expensive because I'm paying out of my pocket. 00:52:55.680 --> 00:53:05.190 They go like apples or I'm like, you're not supposed to like apples this much. There's that how you like them apples joke in there. Of course, yeah, I'll put that in the show notes that be good. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:12.180 So transfer students in our main campus student union. Yes. Fourth floor fourth floor. 00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:24.300 And we are sort of on the horizon. I want to recreate this experience for our distance and online students, you know, right now we provide the traditional support that if they email us or call us. We're going to we help them out. 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.430 And we do get him. You know, every time we send our emails out, we get the online students are like. That'd be nice. 00:53:30.720 --> 00:53:31.230 Like what you've been 00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:40.860 So, you know, I've been talking to Sarah and Josh and different people and with Susanna about how can we sort of recreate some of this programming. 00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:46.590 For our distance and online students like we're going to add a social component to trans orientation on campus. 00:53:46.950 --> 00:53:52.290 So I'd love to see adding social components to distance orientations, you know, sponsored by the Transfer Center. 00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:59.070 But I want to wait till we have resources that they would want to circle back to before we do stuff like that right and that that links into us. Yeah. 00:53:59.310 --> 00:54:04.710 Donna South because that's we are all transfer students. IT'S OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S IT WE every, every 00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:11.970 Transfer and like that one of the main sort of pathways, we would like to do that with is like a peer to peer mentoring situation. I think they 00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:18.450 Said that like main campus transfer students who may have been here for a year, a year and a half can come to your new transfer student and be like, hey, 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:25.800 Here are the three things you should probably know right now right now so yeah that's that's the first goal. Hello. Yep. 00:54:26.610 --> 00:54:35.010 I will link to the Transfer Center in the show notes. And I think we have a hard stop now because we do have some strategic I gotta be strategic and my planning. Oh, yes. 00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:36.510 Thank you. 00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:45.030 Appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I wanted to do my but I won't be able to now this was Nicholas Hodge from your way. Well, you can try a baby. 00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:52.650 I can't, I can't. My heart's not in it. Just try. I'll do a disservice to her. You can't i can't be bullied. I'm an old lady, I can't be bullied. It's the beauty of 00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:00.990 Well, next time. Next time, next time. If you bring Sarah on I'll do my a phobia impression, Sarah. You hear that, yeah. Sweet. 00:55:02.130 --> 00:55:11.580 Sweet. I know everybody read their net ID and I just gave away her net ID that's okay public phone book. Yeah, exactly. Alright, cool. Thanks, Ryan. Thank you. All right.